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Georgia court to hear evolution disclaimer arguments
The Globe and Mail ^ | 12/14/05 | DOUG GROSS

Posted on 12/14/2005 12:02:42 PM PST by doc30

Atlanta — Nearly seven months after schools in a suburban Atlanta county were forced to peel off textbook stickers that called evolution a theory rather than fact, a federal appeals court is set to consider whether the disclaimers were unconstitutional.

In January, a federal judge ordered Cobb County school officials to remove the stickers immediately, saying they were an endorsement of religion. The ruling was appealed to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which will hear arguments on Thursday.

Advocates on both sides say the appeals court's decision will go a long way toward shaping a debate between science and religion that has cropped up in various forms around the country.

“If it's unconstitutional to tell students to study evolution with an open mind, then what's not unconstitutional?” said John West, a senior fellow with the Discovery Institute, a Seattle-based think tank that supports intelligent design, the belief that the universe is so complex it must have been created by a higher power. “The judge is basically trying to make it unconstitutional for anyone to have a divergent view, and we think that has a chilling effect on free speech.”

Opponents of the sticker campaign see it as a backdoor attempt to introduce creationism – the biblical story of creation – into the public schools after the U.S. Supreme Court disallowed it in a 1987 case from Louisiana.

“The anti-evolution forces have been searching for a new strategy that would accomplish the same end,” said Kenneth Miller, a professor of biology at Brown University and co-author of the science book that was stickered. “That purpose is, if not to get evolution out of the schools altogether, then at least undermine it as much as possible in the minds of students.”

The disclaimers were placed in the books in 2002 by school officials in Cobb County, a suburb of about 650,000. The stickers were printed up after more than 2,000 parents complained that science texts presented evolution as a fact, with no mention of other theories.

The stickers read: “This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered.”

The school board called the stickers “a reasonable and evenhanded guide to science instruction” that encourages students to be critical thinkers.

Some parents, along with the American Civil Liberties Union, sued, arguing that the stickers violated the constitutional separation of church and state.

U.S. District Judge Clarence Cooper ruled that the sticker “conveys an impermissible message of endorsement and tells some citizens that they are political outsiders while telling others they are political insiders.”

In Pennsylvania, a federal judge has yet to decide whether the Dover Area School District can require ninth-grade biology students to learn about intelligent design. A few days after the trial ended earlier this fall, Dover voters ousted eight of the nine school board members who adopted the policy.

The same week, state education officials in Kansas adopted new classroom science standards that call the theory of evolution into question.

In 2004, Georgia's school superintendent proposed a statewide science curriculum that dropped the word “evolution” in favour of “changes over time.” That plan was soon scrapped amid protests from teachers.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: creationism; evolution; intelligentdesign; schools; scienceeducation
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Didn't see this posted yet since Kansan, Dover PA, and today, the Carolinas are all involved in the ID/Evolution battles. More crevo fuel.
1 posted on 12/14/2005 12:02:42 PM PST by doc30
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To: PatrickHenry

Pinging...Didn't know this was still going on in GA


2 posted on 12/14/2005 12:03:10 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30

Me either. Thanks for the post.


3 posted on 12/14/2005 12:09:33 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: doc30
In 2004, Georgia's school superintendent proposed a statewide science curriculum that dropped the word “evolution” in favour of “changes over time.” That plan was soon scrapped amid protests from teachers.

I'm an IDr myself, and I don't see a problem with the stickers, either. They should've been left in place. I fail to see how mentioning that evolution is a theory and not a proven fact is somehow a violation of separation of church and state (unless yoou're a member of the Church of Evolution is an Indisputable Fact). But this is kinda dumb. A duck is a duck and I'm going to call it a duck. It's called Theory of Evolution. Calling it by its name doesn't mean you have to believe in it.
4 posted on 12/14/2005 12:11:51 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: doc30

I can't believe Cobb county is wasting the money to appeal this. Actually I can.


5 posted on 12/14/2005 12:12:05 PM PST by gondramB (Rightful liberty is unobstructed action within limits of the equal rights of others.)
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Pinging...Didn't know this was still going on in GA

It never seems to end. I'm not eager to ping the list for this, because we've already deployed the list twice today, and one of those was for an education controversy in South Carolina. These education threads all involve the same issues, and I don't want to cause "ping fatigue" with too many threads going on at the same time, involving the same issue. Lemme mull it over. (Good article, however.)

6 posted on 12/14/2005 12:14:22 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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As long as the sticker includes the SCIENTIFIC definiton of a theory, I wouldn't have a problem with the stickers either.


7 posted on 12/14/2005 12:14:53 PM PST by mouse_35
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OOPS.That should be 'definition' not 'definiton'.


8 posted on 12/14/2005 12:16:01 PM PST by mouse_35
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To: b_sharp; Ichneumon; longshadow; CarolinaGuitarman; Thatcherite; MineralMan; Coyoteman; js1138; ...

Asking "the few" ... to ping, or not to ping?


9 posted on 12/14/2005 12:16:16 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry

To ping.


10 posted on 12/14/2005 12:24:45 PM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: PatrickHenry

The hearing is tomorrow. Maybe wait until there's some hard news?


11 posted on 12/14/2005 12:26:19 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (...just call me Pangloss)
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To: PatrickHenry

I say ping - volume doesn't seem like a problem to me yet.


12 posted on 12/14/2005 12:26:35 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Right Wing Professor
The hearing is tomorrow. Maybe wait until there's some hard news?

The opinion could come months after the oral arguments. It certainly won't be the same day the attorneys argue. I guess I'll ping, just to keep the issue alive.

13 posted on 12/14/2005 12:31:33 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
Evolution Ping

The List-O-Links
A conservative, pro-evolution science list, now with over 320 names.
See the list's explanation, then FReepmail to be added or dropped.
To assist beginners: But it's "just a theory", Evo-Troll's Toolkit,
and How to argue against a scientific theory.

14 posted on 12/14/2005 12:32:45 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


15 posted on 12/14/2005 12:34:08 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: All
Some background information, from The List-O-Links:

Eight Significant Court Decisions.
Selman v. Cobb County School District. The Georgia textbook sticker case.

16 posted on 12/14/2005 12:35:11 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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I fail to see how mentioning that evolution is a theory and not a proven fact is somehow a violation of separation of church and state

So you want this kind of a sticker for gravity, astronomy, and how many other sciences?

Just so folks don't go getting the notion that any of them are "theory and not proven fact"??

17 posted on 12/14/2005 12:38:39 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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So you want this kind of a sticker for gravity, astronomy, and how many other sciences?

Why? They're not blasphemy, like eeeevoooo-loouuu-shun.
</internet idiot mode>

18 posted on 12/14/2005 12:42:49 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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Ah - but not allowing you to speak is free speech and rejecting ideas without even looking at the evidence is being open minded.

Doesn't matter - we're the left, the schools are OUR ivory tower and you can just butt out.

Vote Hillary in 08'. :)


19 posted on 12/14/2005 12:42:50 PM PST by Tzimisce
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So you want this kind of a sticker for gravity, astronomy, and how many other sciences?

I don't think that astronomy is either a theory or a fact. It's a field of study.

Whether you approve of the stickers or not is not the issue. The decision to affix the stickers belongs to the school board, not to you. The question before the Court is whether a sticker that reads "This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered." constitutes an unconstitutional "establishment of religion." It obviously does not, and I am frankly flabbergasted that any reasonable person would consider that it does.

20 posted on 12/14/2005 12:45:57 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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