Posted on 12/14/2005 7:36:46 AM PST by CarrotAndStick
As the US Congress considers some tough immigration proposals to tighten the entry process into the country, a new study shows that of the 35.2 million foreign-born population in America in 2005, around 1.4 million are Indians.
There are 35.2 million foreign-born people with the number of illegal immigrants anywhere between 9 to 13 million, according to the study by the Centre for Immigration Studies.
"The 35.2 million immigrants living in the country in March 2005 is the highest number ever recorded -- two-and-a-half times the 13.5 million during the peak of the last great immigration wave in 1910," said by Steven Camarota, director of research for the Centre.
Of the 35.2 million foreign born immigrants in the United States in 2005, South Asia would account for 1.8 million with India taking the bulk of this figure with 1.411 millions and accounting for a citizenship rate of nearly 34 per cent.
About 12.1 per cent of the current US population was born in another country, the highest percentage since 1920, according to Census figures.
Overall Mexico will come away with the highest number of foreign immigrants at nearly 11 million which will be followed by East Asia, South Asia (India) and Vietnam in South East Asia.
Statistics show that as far as India is concerned, the period 2000 to 2005 showed a sharp upswing in the number of immigrants at nearly 460,000 for the 5-year period.
The pre-1980 statistics show an immigrant population number for India at 170,000, rising to 209,000 between 1980 and 1989 and to 573,000 between 1990 and 1999.
I have an Indian Immigrant working for me. Sweet kid, fav president is Reagan - said she cannot stand Ghandi and wants the British back in India
All of the men, and many of the woman, I'll wager.
What most people don't realize is that as Mexicans are to low-paying jobs, Indians are to our engineering and programming jobs. They are NOT more qualified. The "college" they graduate from in India is a technical institute and many programmers don't have any experience in the languages they profess to know.
What's true is that apparently companies are too cheap to call India to verify education and any possible experience, and turn down OUR college grads without experience, and hire the Indians. Why? Because they are so eager to get a job here, they will work 50-60-70-hours a week without any overtime pay. They are in essence, indentured servants.
In Silicon Valley in CA, they live 3-4-5 in small apts. and all they do is work. While some may commend their work ethic, I do not.
I was forced out as an engineer because they could hire two of them for my salary, and in addition, get all of that free overtime. They pose as much a threat to programmers as they do to engineers. Do you know that in America, a programmers career is over at 35, and an engineer's at 40? Why? Because at that point, they can be replaced by a cheaper foreeign worker, usually an Indian and the American is usually forced to train his replacement before being let go.
And many of these Indians have been found to be working on classified projects without having the necessary clearances (a company in Texas comes to mind) as well as on Military reservations.
Prof. Norml Matloff has testified before Congress and maintains an email list of those interested (and many who have been displaced) in how these H1-B's are taking Americans jobs, here at home, nevermind overseas!
Every time I saw a new Indian restaurant in No. VA, I wanted to puke. It meant that that many more of them were here, to support yet another dang restaurant.
Congress consistently gave away American jobs here at home by passing a bill with an amendment to it that upped the number allowed in, in a year. It started out at 60,000 and rose to 170,000 a year (a number that was often reached within months of the rollover of the year) before American programmers and engineers, thanks to Prof. Matloff, finally figured out what was costing them their jobs and their careers, and started lobbying Congress to quit it.
Former Sec. of Energy, Abraham, from Michigan, lost his Senate seat because of his terrible record on H1-B's, a fact that helped the Dems get the Senate away from the Repubs. In fact, it's a joke to us that Bush gave Abraham the job as energy secretary as a sop for losing his job on an immigration issue. To me, it shows me that the President's compassionate heart just goes too far in wanting people to have OUR jobs - whether it's Indians/Asians at the top of the food chain, or Mexicans, at the other end.
Why should any President of the US want to provide jobs for foreigners at the expense of Americans? I'll never understand Dubya and his stance on both illegals and legal immigration. I think it's a policy failure on his part. He's just blind to what it costs us "regular" folks out here.
I am not only for stopping illegal immigration, but severly restricting or stopping LEGAL immigration too. Remember we are an affluent nation because we have enough goods and services for all our citizens, those who choose to work that is. But even legal immigration cannot continue indefinitely. Now who is going to explain that to our politicians ?
If it were up to me, I would never allow another Muslim to immigrate. I know lots of them and I can't think of a single one that seems like a bad person. But every country that ends up with a significant population of Muslims also ends up with a violent problem.
New Jersey is definitely an exception...I agree with your points. However, I have never been a fan or such ethnic concentrations.
I am of Indian origin but I make it a point to stay away from large concentrations of fellow Indians. Nothing personal....it is just that I want to learn more about America (from Americans as opposed to learning about the country from fellow Indians).
Coincides with the dot.com boom. Most were probably tech people.
Must have been Pakistanis, as opposed to Indians. Most of the Indians I know are faily well assimilated, most of them are even rabid Dallas Cowboys fans.
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Gee, I do have Hindians living next to me, and three houses down, and around the corner. They all spent more than $500k to buy into the neighborhood and yet our market values keep going up. The parents are all multi-degreed folks (usually health-care types - you know - Doctors). They all work hard. Their kids are just like any other American kids. They all take care of their property. In other words, they are ideal neighbors. Do you yourself meet these standards?
Yes.
Maybe they just spoke no English to you.
Big difference between ice cream men and doctors.
The interesting thing I learned is that most Indians can only speak to each other in English, since there are so many different native languages in India. That certainly helps them to assimilate.
"I wonder how many adult Indian immigrants are employed?"
Most of them! Some at more than one job. They're an example of success as legal immigrants.
"Considering they spoke NO English..."
Just FYI - India is the LARGEST english-speaking country in the world. Your ignorance is showing with each subsequent posting that you make. WOW!!
Thanks for your posting, investigateworld.
America is a great civilization (make that the greatest civilization) in human history. Many Indians recognize their good fortune and celebrate their presence here.
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I live in a town that, because of the schools, three major hospital systems and proximity to NYC is becoming heavily popluated with 'new' Americans. I will state without reservation that many of them display more of the values that we consider to be 'American' than very many of the native-born Americans I know.
Example; my neighbor to the north...from Peru...he's an engineer and builder who runs his own company...she's a registered nurse...one son a BU Grad now in the Air Force...the other a LCPL in the Marines...they came here with nothing in the bank and now are debt free...they go to our church...they shovel my walkway if I'm away (reciprocated of course)...I could go on but you get the picture...
I agree with you, but there is evidence to support the allegations against Pakistani immigrants, as indicated by the the other FReeper. Let me also add in that the source may be biased.
Indians break class barriers in UK
Tuesday Nov. 15, 2005, LONDON: Second-generation Indian immigrants are breaking their adopted country's class barriers with consistent ease and steaming ahead of much of white, black and brown Britain, new research has found.
The research, which tracked 140,000 children born in England and Wales over a 30-year period, found that a massive 56 per cent second-generation Indians sailed over class barriers and went into professional or managerial posts, compared with just per cent of white children.
In a further breakdown of what it called the "Indian success story", the study added that "Being Hindu or Jewish enhanced the probability of a professional/managerial class outcome, other things being equal, while being Muslim, Sikh or from a religious group other than the main religions made such a destination less likely".
However, the study admitted that today's immigrant successes could not discount the reality and dreadful toll of the so-called "ethnic penalty" levied on newer, foreign-origin claimants for jobs and positions.
The research said two-thirds of British Pakistani and Bangladeshi children remained static and at the same working class levels of their parents, thus languishing at the bottom of the UK's social and economic mobility ladder.
The study, commissioned by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation and conducted by Essex University sociologist Dr Lucinda Platt, is considered one of the most comprehensive attempts to track ethnic minority "life chances" in the world of Western opportunity. Platt concluded that the differing levels of South Asian success makes for caution "in what we claim for 'ethnicity' and what we attribute to it".
Platt said it was indisputable that British Indians were taking full advantage of the fact that an expansion in professional and managerial occupations over the past 30 years had created more "room at the top". But she cautioned that the "welcome progress" of Indians and Afro-Caribbeans was "no cause for complacency (because) Britain is still a long way from being a meritocracy where social class plays no part in determining children's chances of well-paid careers".
(Source : TNN)
Oh, you mean that the reason that your neighbors were so objectionable was not that they were Indians (maybe) but that they were not doctors? Maybe you're starting to get it.
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