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1 posted on 12/13/2005 8:34:29 PM PST by tbird5
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Two extremes: to exclude reason, to admit reason only.

Blaise Pascal


49 posted on 12/14/2005 9:38:41 AM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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I wish people would put their trust in evidence, not in faith, revelation, tradition, or authority.

I agree with him that we should trust evidence. Is not the incredible miracle that is the universe not evidence of something? I think he's showing blind faith in the authority of the academic science establishment by throwing out that evidence.

I agree to skepticism about revelation, as many revelations will simply be mixes of a person's imaginations and emotions. But not all of them. Throughout history saints and ordinary people have had direct experimental evidence of the Divine, not invalid, in my opinion, because that evidence is subjective and not objective.

Many of the greatest scientists have been filled with awe at the Supreme Being they infer from the wondrous objects of their study.

50 posted on 12/14/2005 9:51:20 AM PST by SupplySider
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Using the logic of most atheists, x-rays, radio waves and gamma radiation didn't really exist until they were discovered and there were methods and devices developed to make them apparent.

Because there are no scientifically acceptable methods or devices available which would make God apparent, he does not exist, the personal experience and testimony of millions notwithstanding.

But truth is independent of knowledge and discovery. X-Rays were happily bouncing around the universe the whole time, unknown by scientists for millennia. The world has been spherical in shape even during periods of intense unpopularity. And God lives, whether there is even one believer drawing breath, He lives anyway.

Millions of people know for themselves, independent of any research or study, that He lives. A scientific explanation in no more necessary to prove that my prayers are answered than to convince me that I am alive. It is an absolute truth with no need for scientific proof, since the real proof of the fact is always individual.

With few exceptions, God reveals Himself to them who first believe. Skeptics will always want it to be the other way around, but that's not their decision to make. The principle of faith is true and real. The lack of a "faith meter" by which it could be measured and detected does not change the fundamental truth: God lives anyway.

54 posted on 12/14/2005 10:49:35 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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The problem with Dawkins is that he thinks he is God. He will find out he is not.


60 posted on 12/14/2005 11:53:29 AM PST by kittymyrib
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65 posted on 12/14/2005 12:32:19 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping List Freepmail me if you want on or off this ping list.)
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Some scientists and intellectuals like to give the impression that most of their colleagues are agnostic or atheistic and that the only "intelligent" way to perceive the universe is as a skeptic.

However, most surveys of scientists show the overwhelming majority are believers.

Furthermore, one might speculate whether the skeptical scientists have really made a thorough study of the Bible and the historical evidence.

In 1875 the author of Ben Hur, General Lew Wallace, according to his own testimony, "was not in the least influenced by religious sentiment. I had no convictions about God or Christ. I neither believed nor disbelieved them. The preachers had made no impression upon me. . . Yet when the work was fairly begun (writing Ben Hur), I found myself writing reverentially, and frequently with awe."

In other words, studying the Bible and researching the life of Christ made a believer of him.

How many scientists have jumped to conclusions and settled on a lifetime of unbelief (or indifference), without doing any research on the subject?


73 posted on 12/14/2005 5:31:27 PM PST by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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I think an article entitled as follows would be more interesting:

The Problem with Richard Dawkins: Interview with God


78 posted on 12/14/2005 8:21:45 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you countless observable clues of His existence!)
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The Problem with Richard Dawkins:

Interview with GOD

80 posted on 12/15/2005 5:31:19 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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But who wants to believe a lie?

No one, Dick.

But...



NIV John 8:45
   Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
 
NIV John 14:6
   Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
 
NIV John 18:37-38
 37.  "You are a king, then!" said Pilate.   Jesus answered, "You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."
 38.  "What is truth?" Pilate asked. With this he went out again to the Jews and said, "I find no basis for a charge against him.
 
NIV John 14:6
  Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


 
"What is truth?" Dawkins asks....


82 posted on 12/15/2005 5:44:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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The Problem with God: Interview with Richard Dawkins

Here. Let me correct this headline:

The Problem with God is the interview with Richard Dawkins.

154 posted on 12/16/2005 10:59:14 AM PST by Lazamataz (Liberals screwed again: HOLIDAY derives from the words Holy Day. NOW what will they do?)
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