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To: Echo Talon
Im glad the military is doing something to protect themselves. Good job.

The military's job is to protect US, not themselves - we are the ones paying for them.

I don't know why so many on this board are so eager to hand over to government the right to interfere in every aspect of our lives. 9-11 happened, not because the government wasn't snooping enough into the affairs of citizens, but because the government didn't make terrorism a priority despite an avalanche of data from FBI and CIA field agents. Since the government didn't use the info it had then, how are things improved by letting them get at 1000X more info on our personal lives?

As I had posted elsewhere, Clinton had made big incursions into civil liberties with the 1996 anti-terrorist bill, which, among other things, left it up to the Secretary of State to decide which groups were "terrorists".

What do you think President Hitlery would do with that power?

16 posted on 12/13/2005 5:32:41 PM PST by razorgirl
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To: razorgirl

The article didn't say they were going to arrest them for protesting or interfere with the protesting in any way. It just said they were going to keep an eye on the group.

Now, if the government starts harassing these people. Auditing their taxes as harassment. Causing the group legal problems that aren't legit, that's a problem.

Monitoring their actions to make sure the group doesn't have more sinister intentions....that's fine.

I know they're Quakers. The Branch Dividians were originally Seventh Day Advontists. Heck, these days, you can go to three Southern Baptists Churches and find three different sets of beliefs.

A newspaper attempting to limit the government's ability to do their freakin job because nothing pleases them more than embarasing a Republican President....now THAT's a problem.


25 posted on 12/13/2005 5:42:27 PM PST by ark_girl
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To: razorgirl
"What do you think President Hitlery would do with that power?"

Probably commit enough atrocities to earn herself some very serious and dangerous enemies....

Semper Fi

28 posted on 12/13/2005 5:45:25 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: razorgirl

AR 381-12


31 posted on 12/13/2005 5:47:42 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Raoul's First Law of Journalism: BIAS = LAYOFFS)
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To: razorgirl

People who wish to prohibit the US military from recruiting are among the class enemy and must be stopped.


43 posted on 12/13/2005 6:05:32 PM PST by muawiyah (u)
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To: razorgirl

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/DODAntiWarProtestDatabaseTracker.pdf

Page 6 First entry
Internet discussion board encourages violence against recruiters.

So they should not pay attention and close their eyes to threats such as this?


54 posted on 12/13/2005 6:13:39 PM PST by listenhillary ("Mainstream media" is creating it's own reality~everything sucks)
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To: razorgirl
The military's job is to protect US, not themselves - we are the ones paying for them

You were being serious when you wrote that one?

YES it is the military's job to protect THE MILITARY. Who do you think "owns" the assets of the US Military (soldiers, marines, tanks, warehouses, cars, offices, etc.)? Guess what? The United States "owns" those things. The military, They, have a duty to protect these things, and the military.

88 posted on 12/13/2005 6:52:22 PM PST by Alia
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To: razorgirl
You wonder what Hillary would do with that power and I am telling you she and Bill did not ask the American people for the power use the full power of the executive branch to go after their political enemies in the name of fighting "the extreme right haters." They had a war against terror - only it did not involve Muslims. It involved demonized Americans Liberals hate.

You are wrong if you think it is anything new happening now to the Left with the military. The military was advising Reno on site when she fried the people at Waco.

You are only hearing about it now because it is the Left who is the target as they are aiding and abetting the terrorists and so they are making a lot of noise about it. There was not a peep in the MSM when Hillary and Bill did the same exact stuff to the "haters."

I don't care if the government goes after the Left; they will go after whoever is out of power. That is just the way it is. If Hillary gets power she will use the Executive branch in every possible way to go after her political enemies naming them "terrorists" no matter what happens now. And if Hillary gets power, the war against terror - the whole apparatus - will shift from focusing on Islamofascists to American Conservatives.
106 posted on 12/13/2005 7:14:14 PM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: razorgirl
The military's job is to protect US, not themselves - we are the ones paying for them.

But if they don't protect themselves, and most especially each other, they're not going to be able to protect us.

I took a quick look at what is obviously a scan of a hardcopy of a spreadsheet. Looks to me like open source stuff. It's quite possible no one was "surveiled" in the sense of wiretaping, shotgun mics, or even garbage can diving. Just read the newspapers, the websites of the groups in question, and maybe asked a few questions of civilian law enforcement.

But the bottom line is, make threats and the object of those threats may decide to take a look to see if you are serious, or just a bunch of windbags. It appears most of the groups were windbags.

Notice that none the entries in the Classification column are anything other than U (Unclassified) or U/FOUO (Unclassified/For Official Use Only), neither of which is a "classified" category. Of course the existence of the column sort of implies that there *might* be some entries that are "S" or even "TS" or even one of those along with "SCI", but since they aren't shown, we can't really know they exist.

135 posted on 01/22/2006 6:25:21 PM PST by El Gato (The Second Amendment is the Reset Button of the U.S. Constitution)
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