"In fact, there is no reason for civilians to have handguns, period. Our citizens will be far safer, when only the police have handguns."
Posted on 12/13/2005 9:20:22 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
Hollowed bullet easy to get & hard to survive
BY ALISON GENDAR and DAVE GOLDINER DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Hollow-point bullets like the one used in the slaying of Officer Daniel Enchautegui are much deadlier than ordinary bullets - and nearly as easy to get.
Cops favor using the hollow-point bullets because they are less likely to pass through a target and ricochet into a fellow cop or bystander.
But they want their public sale banned to keep them out of the hands of thugs like Enchautegui's alleged killers, Steven Armento and Lillo Brancato.
"Our mission is to stop violent felons," said Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch. "There is no reason for anyone else to have that ability."
Armento allegedly shot Enchautegui with his father's .357-caliber handgun, loaded with the hollow-point bullets.
Anyone with a gun permit can buy the hollow-points in a gun shop. They also are readily available on the black market.
"Anybody can go out and buy them," said Michael Palladino, head of the Detectives' Endowment Association.
The main difference between hollow-point and regular, "full-metal jacket" bullets is that the hollow-points flatten on impact and expand inside a target.
The NYPD switched to the new ammo in 1999.
"They are less likely to penetrate the intended target and hit a bystander," said Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Browne.
An on-duty cop's bulletproof vest would likely provide the same protection from a hollow-point as a regular bullet.
Also true other places... but I think the above post was meant to be about NYC.
"In fact, there is no reason for civilians to have handguns, period. Our citizens will be far safer, when only the police have handguns."
Uh huh.
One at a time, carefully aimed.
Thanks. I'll go have a look.
So one would logically deduce that this is a good thing, right? Apparently unless you are a civilian. Apparently, civilians would be restricted to what they author refers to as "regular, "full-metal jacket" bullets". So apparently if you're a civilian, it's OK to shoot through the wall into the neighbor's apartment during a home invasion, I guess.
The idiots also muse "But they want their public sale banned to keep them out of the hands of thugs like Enchautegui's alleged killers, Steven Armento and Lillo Brancato...." and a further lines further down say "Anyone with a gun permit can buy the hollow-points in a gun shop. They also are readily available on the black market."
Which begs the question: Although you may have inconvenienced the homeowner described above by restricting him to military ammo (a point we'll visit later), what about things like Armento and Brancato? Do ya really think guys like these will say "shucks, no more hollowpoints down at Walmart, we're out of luck", or do you think that maybe, just maybe, these two upstanding Democrats (OK, I just threw that in) will just head on down to the old "black market" you referred to?
But I digress. You claim "The main difference between hollow-point and regular, "full-metal jacket" bullets is that the hollow-points flatten on impact and expand inside a target". Bravo. It shows that with a ,lot of repetition, you can get something right.
The author then goes on to say "An on-duty cop's bulletproof vest would likely provide the same protection from a hollow-point as a regular bullet."
Well, the fact is, a hollow-point is designed to crush on impact, and a ballistic vest will stop one quite effectively. That cannot always be said of full metal jacket ammunition, which is designed for the military, and will often penetrate body armor.
So I'm sure all the cops thank you for recommending "armor piercing ammunition" for potential cop killers.
OK, I know this is "GunStuff 101" to Freepers, but I swear, one day one of these press weenies is gonna take a class in gun basics and revolutionize mass media as we know it.
I think the article is about New York law.
Before they were banned in California, I bought my dad (LAPD, now retired) a few boxes of "Black Talons" rounds for Christmas. The cops he worked with loved them.
Hollowpoints can be made with a drill. It isn't the tool, it is the user, but arresting criminals is just so...sigh...judgemental!
Boiling Blood Bump
Your mission is to investigate crimes, and then track down and capture for prosecution those who have already committed violent felonies.
Sometimes you get lucky, and arrive in time to interrupt the criminal.
ITMT, the victim needs every advantage they can muster, to survive.
And they are doing what good in a drawer in your house?
Just read it. Man oh man.
No such luck. They would march him to the Editor's Desk, and to the sound of Muffled Presses playing in the back ground, Blue Pencil his name from the rolls; break his Pen, cancel his Press Card, Format his Laptop, stamp "REJECTED" on his forehead, and toss him out onto the street.
I'm pretty sure you are correct, and that jacketed bullets are required under Geneva.
Ahh. You are right. It was just in NYC.
How bizzare that a hollow point is used in a murder then they should be banned from all applications. This is typical of the kneejerk reactions that brought us DDT and handgun bans in MA. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1539551/posts
Hollow points have been around forever. They essentially let the bullet disipate it's energy inside the target.
Almost all hunting rounds are hollow points. They are also the bullets used for home defense. Frangables are better for that application but most people don't understand that. In home defense you don't want bullets going through walls and such.
No.
He was off duty, asleep at home, and was awakened around 5 AM by the sound of breaking glass next door.
He was shot once, motally, .357 in the chest; but still managed to 4 or 5 into the gunman, and 2 into the second perp before he died.
I think he was off duty and heard the robbery. He responded like a hero would.
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