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Hollowed bullet easy to get & hard to survive
NY Daily News ^ | 12/12/05 | ALISON GENDAR and DAVE GOLDINER

Posted on 12/13/2005 9:20:22 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

Hollowed bullet easy to get & hard to survive

BY ALISON GENDAR and DAVE GOLDINER DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

Hollow-point bullets like the one used in the slaying of Officer Daniel Enchautegui are much deadlier than ordinary bullets - and nearly as easy to get.

Cops favor using the hollow-point bullets because they are less likely to pass through a target and ricochet into a fellow cop or bystander.

But they want their public sale banned to keep them out of the hands of thugs like Enchautegui's alleged killers, Steven Armento and Lillo Brancato.

"Our mission is to stop violent felons," said Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch. "There is no reason for anyone else to have that ability."

Armento allegedly shot Enchautegui with his father's .357-caliber handgun, loaded with the hollow-point bullets.

Anyone with a gun permit can buy the hollow-points in a gun shop. They also are readily available on the black market.

"Anybody can go out and buy them," said Michael Palladino, head of the Detectives' Endowment Association.

The main difference between hollow-point and regular, "full-metal jacket" bullets is that the hollow-points flatten on impact and expand inside a target.

The NYPD switched to the new ammo in 1999.

"They are less likely to penetrate the intended target and hit a bystander," said Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Browne.

An on-duty cop's bulletproof vest would likely provide the same protection from a hollow-point as a regular bullet.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; bradywatch; hollowpoints
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To: najida

Yeppers, I've got a lovely box of Hydra shocks for my 45.


21 posted on 12/13/2005 9:37:19 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: michaelbfree

He is an ignorant @hole indeed. Unbelievable that he views his mission as being impeded by citizens having access to the same mission. I never heard of a mission that was against missions. This guy is more interested in controling the slaves for his paycheck than the criminals... typical.


22 posted on 12/13/2005 9:38:23 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: pbrown

I think I bought them in 91 as a Christmas gift.


23 posted on 12/13/2005 9:38:42 AM PST by najida (Cruelty, mockery, ridicule; the weapon of sanctimonious bullies too stupid to recognize insults ;))
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To: XeniaSt
These are the same people that required Glock to put a 12.5 lb trigger on a gun which comes with a 5.5 lb trigger.

That's 'cause it helps with the accuracy, you see... ;-)

24 posted on 12/13/2005 9:38:50 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: beebuster2000
...odd that the reverse is generally true under geneva convention

The real purpose of jacketed bullets used by the military is to wound the enemy. It ties up several others to care for a wounded. A dead enemy can be forgotten.

Ultimately, a war is economic and the first to run out of troops and recources is more likely to lose.

Troops that are tied up moving wounded or providing care for wounded cannot be used as front line troops.

25 posted on 12/13/2005 9:39:19 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Only been around since the Boer War.

"We invoked Rule .303,
We hunted them, we caught them, and we shot them."
26 posted on 12/13/2005 9:39:37 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (I grew up in a slum, when I got to college it had become a "ghetto".)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"Our mission is to stop violent felons," said Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch. "There is no reason for anyone else to have that ability."

The intended victims of violent felons have far more need for the ability to stop them than you do, Mr. Lynch.

27 posted on 12/13/2005 9:39:53 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

"Our mission is to stop violent felons," said Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch. "There is no reason for anyone else to have that ability."

Um...excuse me? I would like that ability also. Why should I have to waste 3 or four shots when it should only take one. One shot one kill.


28 posted on 12/13/2005 9:40:06 AM PST by TheGunny
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To: pbrown

You can still buy them, if they were made before the ban was put in effect...I bought a box a few years ago...it was missing 2 bullets out of a 20 rd. box. I don't know if they were banned nationwide, or just in my state(CT.)


29 posted on 12/13/2005 9:40:20 AM PST by DigiTeach1
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To: najida

Lucky you. Wish I could get my hands on a box.


30 posted on 12/13/2005 9:40:35 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: kiriath_jearim

1. They are against armor piercing bullets, round nose types
2. they are against expandable ones

Go freaging figure. It's always the same thing. What kills kills and is meant for that. What part of the 2nd amendment they do not understand? There is no P.C. bullet except no bullets, I guess.


31 posted on 12/13/2005 9:40:45 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I really, really wish these news services would at least try to educate their writers about guns. This doesn't contain a single sentence that doesn't make me laugh out loud.


32 posted on 12/13/2005 9:40:59 AM PST by Kenton (To my friends who celebrate Jesus' birth, Merry Christmas. To the rest of you, have a nice day off.)
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To: DigiTeach1

Thanks, I'll ask around. :-)


33 posted on 12/13/2005 9:41:51 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Yeah... Better that the bad guys have FMJ bullets to go through body armor.

Just curious, but is mental retardation a requirement for holding a management position within the NYPD?
34 posted on 12/13/2005 9:42:30 AM PST by Redcloak ("If you can't say something nice about someone, then you must be talking about Hillary Clinton.")
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To: LambSlave

Concave,brass plated end first.


35 posted on 12/13/2005 9:42:58 AM PST by RambozoDClown
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To: JudgemAll

We can always fall back on Nerf bullets maybe...they wouldn't hurt anyone.


36 posted on 12/13/2005 9:43:40 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

Tell ya what,
If I find them,
I'll send them to you (but I have to find them first :) )


37 posted on 12/13/2005 9:43:51 AM PST by najida (Cruelty, mockery, ridicule; the weapon of sanctimonious bullies too stupid to recognize insults ;))
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To: kiriath_jearim
Cops favor using the hollow-point bullets because they are less likely to pass through a target and ricochet into a fellow cop or bystander.

Which is why they are a favored choice for home defense use as well.

38 posted on 12/13/2005 9:43:56 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: pbrown

Yup.You can still get 'em.


39 posted on 12/13/2005 9:44:35 AM PST by RambozoDClown
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To: kiriath_jearim; Squantos

Well I guess I'll have to continue using my 200gr EFMJ in the .45 for now. By the way, this guy gives the Lynch's a bad name.


40 posted on 12/13/2005 9:45:07 AM PST by TEXASPROUD
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