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Rocky Mountain News ^ | 12-13-05 | Paul Campos

Posted on 12/13/2005 9:00:06 AM PST by Jonah Johansen

"....Yet The Orlando Sentinel interviewed seven passengers who claimed Alpizar wasn't saying anything at all, let alone yelling about a bomb, while no passenger backed the government's story.

Alpizar turns out to have been mentally unstable and altogether harmless. It's of course possible that Alpizar claimed he had a bomb once he was out in the jetway, but it's also possible that the two air marshals who shot him panicked, and concocted the story about a bomb after the fact, to make their tragic mistake of shooting a harmless mentally ill man seem like a justifiable use of lethal force.

Or perhaps Alpizar was suffering from a delusion that there was a bomb on the plane, and the marshals misunderstood something he said in the jetway.

(Excerpt) Read more at rockymountainnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; alpizar; flight924; marshal; miami; passenger
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From what I read, the bomb threat was made to a crew member. The people interviewed were not in a position to hear wat was said in the front of the plane or jetway. The primary template for Campos's columns is a false or misleading statement of fact, followed by a left wing rant based on the initital lie.
1 posted on 12/13/2005 9:00:07 AM PST by Jonah Johansen
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I didn't hear him say he had a bomb!


2 posted on 12/13/2005 9:01:21 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (#1 Rule in Dealing with the Media, Democrats and Terrorists: Can't Please 'Em, so Don't Appease 'Em.)
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To: Jonah Johansen

I didn't hear the word "bomb" either (being about 1200 miles out of earshot) but the air marshals did and they only need a witness or two to back them up.


3 posted on 12/13/2005 9:01:50 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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Bingo! Liberals never let facts get in the way of their rants.


4 posted on 12/13/2005 9:02:46 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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Seven people didn't hear him say "bomb"?! Wow!

Of course, all it takes is one person to say they DID hear it. And, for me, an Air Marshall would count.

Crazy people on airplanes are dangerous. They (and their grieving families) should not go blaming security when bad things happen.

5 posted on 12/13/2005 9:03:45 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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The same kind of rant that we would have heard nif an air marshall had shot the guys who aimed to drive thei plane into the towers. They are deranged on the subject of the use of violence by government officials.


6 posted on 12/13/2005 9:04:20 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: rightinthemiddle

I was sitting calmly only 2200 miles away and I definitely didn't hear him say "bomb" so I can be certain he never said anything like that. Why don't they call me as a witness on behalf of left-wing lunacies, too??????


7 posted on 12/13/2005 9:04:39 AM PST by Enchante (Democrats: "We are ALL broken and worn out, our party & ideas, what else is new?")
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I am curious if the writer, by saying this man was "mentally unstable and altogether harmless," is suggesting that all mentally unstable people are "harmless."


8 posted on 12/13/2005 9:04:46 AM PST by ican'tbelieveit
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Of course it's possible that Paul Campos is a complete and utter dumbass. But, we'll never know being thousands of miles away.


9 posted on 12/13/2005 9:05:59 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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Campos is pretty wild with his speculation, and the only hard facts he puts faith in are rumored and reported statements from various individuals whose veracity is unknowable.


10 posted on 12/13/2005 9:06:00 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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Where is the barf alert? Sure this article wasn't written by National Enquirer?


11 posted on 12/13/2005 9:06:05 AM PST by Ben Mugged (Sins can be forgiven but stupid is forever.)
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of course, alternate reporting could read like the following in case the man DID have a bomb:

(MAJOR sarcasm/on) Left wing liberals today are demanding to know why, on an arriving flight from Columbia to Miami, air marshalls didn't shoot to kill the man who didn't say, explicity or implied, that he had a bomb before detonating it. They are calling on congress for investigations as to why this man wasn't shot dead before he pressed the little red button and blew the plane sky high. They implicate Pres. Bush for inadequate air marshall training and demand improvements to this program. (MAJOR sarcasm/off)...

Does that sound about right??


12 posted on 12/13/2005 9:10:22 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (Islam is a religion of peace and they'll behead 13 year old girls to prove it...)
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What a twit - I notice he conveniently omits the video footage that shows the guy getting into a physical spat before he was cleared to board the plane. If there is anyone at fault, it is the folks that allowed him to fly in the first place.


13 posted on 12/13/2005 9:17:19 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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What every one is missing is that the Air Marshals rushed after the man not knowing whether they would be blown to bits the next second. God bless these brave men.


14 posted on 12/13/2005 9:34:10 AM PST by shamusotoole
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To: VeniVidiVici
Of course it's possible that Paul Campos is a complete and utter dumbass. But, we'll never know being thousands of miles away.

The name Paul Campos rings some bells. Apparently, he is the idiot-laureate of the Rocky Mountains.
15 posted on 12/13/2005 9:44:19 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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Either kill or die, it is too late when it is found the threat was real with the bomb clicking zero to explode in the suit case. This is war on terrorism, and this is realism.


16 posted on 12/13/2005 9:58:15 AM PST by Wiz
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To: Enchante

The poor guy was talking about the in-flight movie.


17 posted on 12/13/2005 10:02:29 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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"tragic mistake of shooting a harmless mentally ill man "
We knew he was harmless because......?


18 posted on 12/13/2005 10:12:34 AM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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Nutty people should do two things.

Number one is take your medicine regularly. You will always need medicine for the rest of your life, so don't stop taking it when you "feel better". Are you crazy?

Number two is stay the hell out of airports, airplanes, driver's seats, and keep your mouth shut.


19 posted on 12/13/2005 10:17:53 AM PST by 308MBR (If we ain't supposed to eat animals, how come they're made out of meat?)
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To: Jonah Johansen

Mike Rosen had Campos, a law professor at CU Boulder, on his show this morning and shot his column full of holes.


20 posted on 12/13/2005 10:30:29 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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