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The gold standard and the Great Depression
Econbrowser ^ | 12/12/2005 | James Hamilton

Posted on 12/13/2005 5:45:39 AM PST by BJClinton

How the gold standard contributed to the Great Depression.

There always seem to be voices raising the possibility that a return to a monetary gold standard could solve all our problems. Among those championing this meme this week were Chris Mayer at Daily Reckoning, Robert Blumen at Mises Economics Blog, and some of my fellow blogjammers.

Under a pure gold standard, the government would stand ready to trade dollars for gold at a fixed rate. Under such a monetary rule, it seems the dollar is "as good as gold."

Except that it really isn't-- the dollar is only as good as the government's credibility to stick with the standard. If a government can go on a gold standard, it can go off, and historically countries have done exactly that all the time. The fact that speculators know this means that any currency adhering to a gold standard (or, in more modern times, a fixed exchange rate) may be subject to a speculative attack.

After suspending gold convertibility in World War I, many countries stayed off gold and experienced chaotic fiscal and monetary policies in the early 1920's. Many observers reasoned then, just as many observers reason today, that the only way to restore fiscal and monetary responsibility would be to go back on gold, and by the end of the 1920's, most countries had returned to the gold standard.

I argued in a paper titled, "The Role of the International Gold Standard in Propagating the Great Depression," published in Contemporary Policy Issues in 1988, that counting on a gold standard to enforce monetary and fiscal discipline in an environment in which speculators had great doubts about governments' ability to adhere to that discipline was a recipe for disaster. International capital flows became more erratic, not less, as doubts were raised about whether first the pound would be devalued and then the dollar. Britain gave in to the speculative attacks and abandoned gold in 1931, whereas the U.S. toughed it out by deliberately raising interest rates in 1931 at a time when the economy was already near free fall.

Because of this uncertainty, there was a big increase in demand for gold, the one safe asset in this setting, which meant the relative price of gold must rise. If everybody is trying to hoard more gold, you're going to have to pay more potatoes to get an ounce of gold. Since the U.S. insisted on holding the dollar price of gold fixed, this meant that the dollar price of potatoes had to fall. The longer a country stayed on the gold standard, the more overall deflation it experienced. Many of us are persuaded that this deflation greatly added to the economic difficulties of those countries that insisted on sticking with a fixed value of their currency in terms of gold.

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Ben Bernanke and Harold James, in a paper called "The Gold Standard, Deflation, and Financial Crisis in the Great Depression: An International Comparison" published in 1991 (NBER working paper version here), noted that 13 other countries besides the U.K. had decided to abandon their currencies' gold parity in 1931. Bernanke and James' data for the average growth rate of industrial production for these countries (plotted in the top panel above) was positive in every year from 1932 on. Countries that stayed on gold, by contrast, experienced an average output decline of 15% in 1932. The U.S. abandoned gold in 1933, after which its dramatic recovery immediately began. The same happened after Italy dropped the gold standard in 1934, and for Belgium when it went off in 1935. On the other hand, the three countries that stuck with gold through 1936 (France, Netherlands, and Poland) saw a 6% drop in industrial production in 1935, while the rest of the world was experiencing solid growth.

A gold standard only works when everybody believes in the overall fiscal and monetary responsibility of the major world governments and the relative price of gold is fairly stable. And yet a lack of such faith was the precise reason the world returned to gold in the late 1920's and the reason many argue for a return to gold today. Saying you're on a gold standard does not suddenly make you credible. But it does set you up for some ferocious problems if people still doubt whether you've set your house in order.

Nevertheless, I'm willing to grant Tim Iacono that the stuff is pretty.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: depression; economics; fiat; gold; goldstandard; greatdepression
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To: wita

This is an excellent point.


21 posted on 12/13/2005 9:55:41 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: Shalom Israel
>>>>Only keynesian idiots think we can get out of a depression without any decreases in any prices or wages.


Thank you. John Maynard Keynes is almost as overrated as FDR on economic matters. If he'd stopped after he figured out how interest rates work, he'd have gone out on top. he didn't and his poor ideas haunt us still.
22 posted on 12/13/2005 10:24:53 AM PST by .cnI redruM (If you're gonna think, you might as well think big." - Donald Trump)
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To: jiggyboy

The depression was NOT caused by government overspending! This arguement ignores the actual reported money supply during that period of time, as documented in Anderson's book "Monetary History of the United States 1918 to 1945". The depression was caused by the misguided policies of the Federal Reserve.

Briefly, the money supply tripled from 1918 to 1926, creating an artificial boom, when the Fed started selling Federal Reserve Bonds needed by banks to make loans. The US at that time was supposedly under the gold standard, in which the total money supply was supposed to be limited by the amount of gold they held. The Fed thought it had things under control because prices were stable - mostly due to increases in productivity (e.g., manufacture of autos, pipelines carrying oil, use of electricity, rise of the factory system, etc.). But checking accounts were just becoming popular, and their impact on the money supply was not taken into account by the Fed, and so their estimates were off by over 100%. One could take the position that the US went off of the gold standard in about 1920 because the Fed actions were not properly constrained by the amount of gold in the US.

When the Fed finally figured out they had screwed up, in typical government fashion, they began to try to correct the situation without telling anyone. They began buying Federal Reserve Bonds (needed by a bank in order to make a loan) in 1926, with a goal of reducing the money supply by 1/3. It took until 1929 for the reduction in the money supply to finally bite, and the stock market tumbled. They continued to buy these bonds even as late as 1936, when FDR was trying every crazy idea his brain trust thought of to try to restart the economy.

Europeans began to send gold to the US in the early 1920s because of political instabilities, and the fact that the US stock market was starting up. This reduced the money supply of European countries, and they all went into recession. Because gold entered the US, the US was supposed to reduce interest rates so that gold could flow back to the European countries; but the Fed was trying to fix its error, so it kept the gold and did not reduce interest rates. This deepened the European recessions into their depressions, a full 2 years before the US depression; and this brought Hitler to power in Germany.

Banks failed in NY in 1929 to 1930 because they had loaned money to people to buy stocks, with low margins (i.e., banks put up 90% of the money to buy GM stock). When stocks tumbled by more than 1/3, the banks were legally bankrupt, but the Fed couldn't let all of them go down.

Meanwhile, the banks did not have the Federal Reserve Notes needed to make loans to farmers for spring planting, or to retailers to buy goods to sell, so farms and medium sized retailers went bankrupt; then the manufacturers couldn't sell enough stuff, so they laid off the workers. It was a downwards spiral, ultimately resulting in 20% unemployment.

FDR didn't help the recovery at all by changing the price of gold daily, and passing laws which completely regulated the economy, creating such uncertainty that it paralyzed the ability to make business decisions -- so firms didn't spend what was left of their capital to restart, and unemployment was over 20%.

The unemployment rate was as bad in 1940 as it was in 1932 - there was no recovery due to FDR's economic policies. It did in fact take WWII to restart the economy. And the Fed has never taken responsibility for their screwups.


23 posted on 12/13/2005 10:56:10 AM PST by Mack the knife
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To: wita
...or was it after the war when all the producers returned, that true prosperity became possible.

I do believe this to be the case. The war increased industrial capacity. That is the ability to make stuff like guns and bombers. When the GI's returned home, they wanted two things; families and the stuff that families need. The same machinery and organization that makes guns and bombers can also make refrigerators, stoves, and automobiles. The only hiccup in the immediate postwar period was getting Uncle Sam's hands out of everything and letting business fill the needs of post war Americans.

America was doing well until 1965 and LBJ.

24 posted on 12/13/2005 11:09:45 AM PST by elbucko
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To: bert
It is my understanding that the boom of the 1920's was caused by tons of European gold coming to New York for safe storage and the depression was caused by the return of that gold to Europe.

Only when Europe needed our armaments in the late 30's did the economy get going.
25 posted on 12/13/2005 12:30:39 PM PST by Kenny500c
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To: BJClinton
Under a pure gold standard, the government would stand ready to trade dollars for gold at a fixed rate

Forget gold. Get the government out of the business of issuing currency.

26 posted on 12/13/2005 6:57:43 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: AdamSelene235
Get the government out of the business of issuing currency.

Give me a break. And let Bill Gates, the Walton heirs, Trump, and Warren Buffett print their own monies?

Government is supposed to print money. It's in the Constitution.

27 posted on 12/13/2005 7:02:21 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Republican Death Machinist - Certified by ASE)
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To: phelanw

Many good points and the answer to your final question is no.


28 posted on 12/13/2005 7:06:44 PM PST by nopardons
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To: BJClinton

I never understood the gold standard. Gold is a limited resource while production of goods and services grows exponentially. How is there enough gold to keep up? We need a way to increase the money supply, and a fixed asset like gold does not allow for that.


29 posted on 12/13/2005 7:07:31 PM PST by Always Right
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To: BJClinton
A gold standard only works when everybody believes in the overall fiscal and monetary responsibility of the major world governments and the relative price of gold is fairly stable.

Same with paper....

30 posted on 12/13/2005 7:17:25 PM PST by GOPJ (War on Christmas? Celebrate the sweetness of forbidden customs -deck the halls with boughs of holly.)
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To: bert
It is my understand that the recovery did not become sustainable till the war spending and production began in ernest.

Your understanding is correct. The economy was dead in the water, leading FDR in the 1936 election to grossly expand his New Deal initiatives, which also didn't do a lot of good in the aggregate, although they provided important support for many impoverished families.

If you know someone who, eg, was employed as a young man by the WPA or CCC, you will get a story that helps to understand why FDR was viewed as a god by so many.

31 posted on 12/13/2005 8:33:12 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: quakeroats

Well my money is plastic, has a magnetic strip and comes from Chase. It ain't in the Constitution but I'm earning double rewards on all of our Christmas presents...


33 posted on 12/14/2005 6:23:29 AM PST by BJClinton (Happy Ramahanakwanzmas!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Give me a break. And let Bill Gates, the Walton heirs, Trump, and Warren Buffett print their own monies?

They already do, its called stock.

34 posted on 12/14/2005 9:08:35 AM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: BJClinton
Figure 2: Purchasing Power of US Dollar, 1800 - 2005

Everything is peachy.

35 posted on 12/16/2005 1:53:07 AM PST by Capitalism2003
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To: Jibaholic
Interesting idea.

The fact is that there isn't enough gold above or below ground to back the debt committments of the world's fiat currencies. The credit card is maxed out. There will never be a return to the gold standard. That bridge is washed out.

But gold backed niche currency vehicles are going to play a big part in the unfolding of fiat currency instability.

You have said a very important thing.
36 posted on 12/16/2005 2:01:13 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

There certainly is enough gold to cover all the debt.

It only depends on one thing.
The price of gold.


37 posted on 12/16/2005 2:06:07 AM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: Kenny500c
"It is my understanding that the boom of the 1920's was caused by tons of European gold coming to New York for safe storage and the depression was caused by the return of that gold to Europe."

You are correct and the bulk of that gold returned as war debt from England and indirectly from France and Germany due to e the Treaty of Versailles.

Churchill exacerbated the situation by pegging the Stirling at an artificially high rate which emptied the British Treasury of gold and filled Fort Knox to overflowing.

That increase of gold into the US Treasury fueled the 1929 speculation bubble which burst. FDR then outlawed all private ownership of gold to protect the US dollar.

Fast forward to the present. No American citizen can enter Fort Knox to physically examine the US Govt's gold holdings.

It's like Area 51.
38 posted on 12/16/2005 2:22:43 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

Rumor has it that there ain't none.

I think the official listings about how much is supposed to be there are like 8,000 tons.


39 posted on 12/16/2005 2:28:51 AM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: djf
No you are wrong.

As one mining executive told me: "You could take the all the capital invested in the world's gold industry and throw into Walmart and it would bounce around like a pea in a penny whistle."

There is not enough gold, silver or platinum to back the world's fiat currencies.

Money is just religion by another name.
40 posted on 12/16/2005 2:29:13 AM PST by beaver fever
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