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1 posted on 12/12/2005 5:14:18 PM PST by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul
He wants a permit to cultivate his own pot, saying it will be better for research.

Yeah...and a box of Pink Floyd records to go with it, I'm sure.

2 posted on 12/12/2005 5:15:25 PM PST by Prime Choice (We are RepubliCANs, not RepubliCAN'Ts.)
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To: LouAvul
Craker's suit claims government-grown marijuana lacks the potency medical researchers need to make important breakthroughs.

And he would know.

3 posted on 12/12/2005 5:16:15 PM PST by mhx
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To: LouAvul

I didn't know that the government sold marijuana?


4 posted on 12/12/2005 5:16:38 PM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside (The stink you smell are the liberals fuming after Ann speaks!!!)
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To: LouAvul

I cant speak for his intentions but i do agree with the title of the thread. Why does the gov't continue this pointless "war on drugs"? It is not the government's job to legislate what i can and cant put in my body.


5 posted on 12/12/2005 5:17:58 PM PST by curtisgardner
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To: LouAvul
"The government's marijuana just isn't strong enough," said Richard Doblin, a Craker supporter who heads the Massachusetts-based Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies.

But they still make the best LSD.

6 posted on 12/12/2005 5:18:42 PM PST by KarlInOhio (In memory of Alvin Owen, Thsai-Shai Yang, Yen-I Yang and Yee Chen Lin:the victims of Tookie Williams)
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To: LouAvul
A University of Massachusetts professor says the medical marijuana grown by the federal government isn't very good.

It figures -- the government can't even grow a weed right.

7 posted on 12/12/2005 5:18:47 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: LouAvul

Socialism!

Reducing the quality of everything it touches.

Even weed!


11 posted on 12/12/2005 5:27:36 PM PST by JillValentine (To be compassionate to the cruel is to be cruel to the compassionate.)
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To: LouAvul
Not a lot of people know that the Federal government has its own rump medical marijuana program, which provides a few patients with marijuana from the Univ. of Mississippi program.

http://radio.weblogs.com/0138970/categories/decrimwatch/2005/02/18.html#a254

Friday, February 18, 2005


Two excessive displays in Springfield

I headed down to the state capital in Illinois yesterday to see a committee hearing on medical marijuana. Unfortunately, the bill did not get voted out of committee, so there it remains. Yet many interesting things took place; Pete at Drug WarRant has a complete report.

To me, the day was typified by the two incidents involving heavy security and seemingly harmless middle-aged white men.

One man was named John Walters; the other was named Irvin Rosenfeld. Both came from out of state to testify at the hearing.

John Walters, of course, is the federal drug czar. This political appointee flew in at taxpayer expense with a full entourage, including several serious-looking security people. The intense security detail was there, I suppose, to protect the czar from the good people of Illinois. Or, perhaps, to give an otherwise bland and unimpressive bureaucrat a sense of authority. Either way, it was unnecessary overkill.

Walters insisted he wasn't there to influence the legislative process - an obviously false cover story contradicted by his very presence (when else does he show up at a state level committee meetings?) and indicative of the sincerity of all his remarks.

Physically isolated by his security team, intellectually isolated by rigid ideology, I wonder if Walters even carries the capacity for recognizing the difference between a truth and a lie.

And, indeed, he and his allies did not want to acknowledge the truth of the other fellow who found himself surrounded by security at the state house.

Irvin Rosenfeld came to Illinois by himself from his home state of Florida and offered an unimpeachable, fact-based presentation on his experience with medical marijuana. One of the seven surviving patients in a federal medical marijuana program, Rosenfeld gets eleven ounces shipped to his pharmacy by Uncle Sam every 25 days. He's been smoking roughly 12 joints a day for 22 years. He and his doctors know that it helps relieve the pain from a rare bone disease called
multiple congenital cartilaginous exostoses.

He believes that the marijuana has not only extended his life, but made his disease bearable for all these years. He's had comprehensive physical examinations which have determined no ill effects from all those years of smoking.

"The government does give marijuana to patients. I'm living proof," he told reporters during a press conference. "I'm also living proof that it works well. I'm also living proof that the government doesn't want to know how well it works. If they want to do research, all they have to do is contact me."

He brought a tin can full of marijuana cigarettes that he picks up at his pharmacy each month and showed them to a room full of astonished state legislators during the hearing. Shortly after his presentation, he found himself surrounded by four burly state security officers. They wanted to ask him some questions, and they didn't want the press to follow, so some other reporters and I were barred from the elevator where he was hustled away.

Fortunately, one of the reporters had a good idea where they were taking him. I followed her and watched as Rosenfeld faced what seemed like an unofficial interrogation over his medicine (asked repeatedly whether Rosenfeld was under arrest or being detained, the security officers would only say, "No comment.").

I thought Rosenfeld was a hero before, but watching his grace under pressure amazed me. He was polite and cooperative with the officers, effectively educating them, while remaining firm about his rights and the limits of their intrusions (he was not going to let the tin can out of his sight, and I don't blame him).

He showed them many documents confirming his situation, and offered phone numbers for his pharmacy as well as a DEA agent with whom he is on friendly terms. Eventually they got confirmation they deemed acceptable and let him go, but not before an officer finally acknowledged that Rosenfeld was being detained, and he was removed from the sight from reporters. He was released shortly after that, and he said such things happen when he speaks up. Why does he continue to do it?

Because, unlike sicker patients who have more trouble with mobility, he can. And because citizens have the right to spread the truth in America.

So it goes in the drug war. If you're a private citizen, obeying the law and exercising clearly established rights, prepare to be hassled by security. If you are a political appointee engaging in legally questionable behavior and spreading false and defamatory insinuation as fact, then you are entitled to the best protection taxpayer money can buy.

In a more sane world, Rosenfeld wouldn't face any scrutiny from law enforcement, but Walters sure would.
13 posted on 12/12/2005 5:37:14 PM PST by MRMEAN (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of congress;but I repeat myself. Mark Twain)
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To: LouAvul
The DEA ... also said that international treaties limit the United States to one marijuana production facility.

WTF? Must have been a slow day at the UN.

15 posted on 12/12/2005 5:39:30 PM PST by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: LouAvul

People suffering with cancer have smoked weed as it relieves side effects of treatments. Yet the guvmint says no you can't do that so take this chemically replicated pill (of pot) with a glass of water.

So, you can't take the 'organic' but you can take the chemically replicated?

Actually, the arms subject is most likely why this is still illegal. Pot is about at harmful as anything else in excess. But if your caught, its a felony, and you can never own a firearm or have possession of ammo.

Another way to regulate the 2nd?


22 posted on 12/12/2005 5:53:58 PM PST by Mrs. Shawnlaw (Rock beats scissors, don't run with rocks. NRA)
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To: LouAvul
Put this in your pipe and smoke it

Na, looks like Schwag to me.

 

30 posted on 12/12/2005 6:14:02 PM PST by md2576 (Merry RamaHanuKwanzMas! ..................Merry Christmas too.)
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To: LouAvul
I actually got to smoke some of the University of Mississippi weed back in the late 70's. It wasn't lacking in potency then.

Best I remember, the person that got it used a fishing rod and reel with treble hooks, cast it out into the field, and reeled in a few buds. (At least that is how the story went.....)

32 posted on 12/12/2005 6:14:31 PM PST by TnGOP (Petey the dog is my foriegn policy advisor. He's really quite good!)
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To: LouAvul

Private business can do most things better than the government. Let the man grow the pot.
It's idiotic for the government to claim that letting others grow pot for research will lead to greater illegal use pot.


40 posted on 12/12/2005 6:42:24 PM PST by em2vn
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To: LouAvul

I'm still trying to imagine the mental state of folks who think that the DEA is expert about anything besides snagging gubmint bennies and lying through their teeth.

There are boot-lickers; there are brown-nosers; and then at the very bottom of the pit there are those who support the so-called War On Drugs!


45 posted on 12/14/2005 5:29:55 AM PST by headsonpikes (The Liberal Party of Canada are not b*stards - b*stards have mothers!)
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