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Liberals snatching NDP votes in Ontario
The Globe and Mail ^ | 12/12/05 | By MICHAEL DEN TANDT AND GLORIA GALLOWAY

Posted on 12/12/2005 7:23:17 AM PST by doc30

New Democrats' support level drops to single digits as Grits reach their highest mark since May, poll says

By MICHAEL DEN TANDT AND GLORIA GALLOWAY

Monday, December 12, 2005 Posted at 12:45 AM EST

From Monday's Globe and Mail

Ottawa and Beamsville, Ont. — Prime Minister Paul Martin made a targeted campaign swing through Ontario's southern heartland yesterday as a new poll showed Liberal support in the province surging to its highest point in weeks, mainly at the expense of the New Democrats.

A poll taken for The Globe and Mail and CTV on Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday showed nationwide support for the three national parties virtually unchanged, with the Liberals at 35 per cent, the Tories at 30 per cent and the NDP locked at 15 per cent.

"What you've got now is something that looks exactly like 2004," said Allan Gregg, chairman of the Strategic Counsel, which carried out the poll.

"There's a very high likelihood that this could be an incumbent race, where the only seats where you see significant movement are those where someone's vacated," he said.

That being said, a trend may be emerging in Ontario.

Mr. Martin's Liberals now have the support of 40 per cent of the province's voters, compared with 24 per cent for Stephen Harper's Conservatives and nine per cent for Jack Layton's New Democrats.

That's the highest level of Liberal support since last May, marking a rise of 10 percentage points since the beginning of December.

Backing for the Tories is stable, whereas the number of those who say they would vote NDP has dropped from nearly 15 per cent in early December, into single digits.

"The NDP look like they're getting caught in a bit of a squeeze overall," Mr. Gregg said.

In the first week of the campaign, the Liberals lost ground to the New Democrats in the Greater Toronto Area, and to the Tories in the cluster of populous, mid-sized cities that make up the bulk of Ontario's population outside Toronto.

Those losses appear to have been recouped, Mr. Gregg said.

"We had a count of about 15 seats the Liberals would be losing. This would suggest those seats are back in the Liberal fold."

Mr. Gregg suggested two main reasons for the upturn in Liberal fortunes in Ontario. First, Mr. Harper's proposal to cut the GST by one percentage point was largely neutralized by Mr. Martin's promise to slash income taxes. Second, Liberal proposals on daycare appear to have found favour among female voters.

The NDP, meanwhile, is suffering from an anybody-but-Harper sentiment that's emerging among left-of-centre voters, Mr. Gregg said. He credited some of that to Canadian Auto Workers president Buzz Hargrove, who has urged Canadians to only vote New Democrat in ridings the party has a shot at winning. The strategy of "driving those NDP supporters closer to the bosom of the Liberal Party" seems to be working, Mr. Gregg said.

Not surprisingly, Mr. Martin's tour yesterday focused on the mid-sized Ontario cities thought to be the core battleground of the campaign in that province. He swung through Hamilton and the Niagara region, where at least five ridings are considered too close to call.

But even here, the emerging Liberal momentum was evident. Mr. Martin appeared confident enough in his party's position in the area that, despite touring a winery and proclaiming the day to be "about small business," he offered no new ideas or policies for improving that sector of the economy.

Instead, he talked about the country's economic success, citing low unemployment rates, low inflation rates and the fact that Canada is the only major industrialized country to be paying down its debt.

"This is, without any shadow of a doubt, the result of a government which is, in fact, no longer crowding the private sector out of debt markets," Mr. Martin said.

The Liberal approach of reassuring Canadians and Canadian business that the country is already is great shape contrasts with that of Stephen Harper and the Conservatives, who promised last week to raise the threshold for the small business tax rate from $300,000 to $400,000, and to reduce the small business tax rate from 12 per cent to 11 per cent over five years. The Tories would also offer help in hiring apprentices.

While no new small-business policy has been seen from the Liberals, local candidates hope voters in the Niagara region will credit Mr. Martin's government for helping Stelco — the giant steel maker that is a major local employer — restructure to avoid bankruptcy.

"That issue has now just been taken off the table and I think a lot of pensioners and certainly a lot of employees can rest easy," said Tony Valeri, the Liberal House Leader. In an effort to win re-election in Hamilton East- Stoney Creek, Mr. Valeri is up against New Democrat Wayne Marston, a well-known local leader.

The race is not expected to be as close as it was last year, when strong resentment lingered over the fact Mr. Valeri had defeated Hamilton-booster Sheila Copps for the Liberal nomination in the riding, but it is still not a sure thing.

The Liberals could also lose Hamilton Mountain, where retiring incumbent Beth Phinney squeaked to victory in 2004 against Chris Charlton of the NDP. Federal Liberal newcomer Bill Kelly faces Mr. Charlton this time. The Liberals will also need to work hard in St. Catharines in order to return Walt Lastewka to his seat against Tory Richard Dykstra and NDP candidate Jeff Burch.

On the other hand, in this highly volatile region, the Liberals also have hopes of defeating incumbent Conservatives in Niagara Falls (Rob Nicholson) and Niagara West Glanbrook (Dean Allison).

Niagara is just outside the vast 905 region of feeder communities surrounding Toronto, where many believe the election will be won or lost. It is expected that all of the parties will concentrate more resources here as voting day draws closer.


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada; conservatives; election; liberals; ndp; polls
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If you go to the Globe and Mail, it is interesting to see the comments of the readers. They are in two camps: 1) the Liberals are corrupot as hell and need to be replaced by a fiscally and socially Conservative government or 2) the Liberals are the best party and were cleared of wrongdoing by the Gromery Inquiry so it is the lying conservatives that you have to be scared of...
1 posted on 12/12/2005 7:23:18 AM PST by doc30
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To: fanfan; GMMAC

ping


2 posted on 12/12/2005 7:23:52 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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So are the commies taking votes away from the extreme commies in an effort by the extreme commies to keep the socialists from taking power?
3 posted on 12/12/2005 7:28:32 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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To: doc30

glad i dont live in canada


4 posted on 12/12/2005 7:34:27 AM PST by philsfan24
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To: doc30
If you go to the Globe and Mail, it is interesting to see the comments of the readers. They are in two camps: 1) the Liberals are corrupot as hell and need to be replaced by a fiscally and socially Conservative government

LOL! The so-called "Conservative" party in Canada is neither fiscally or socially conservative. I just wish that Quebec would secede...that would be far more interesting than a political race between far-left and farther-left.
5 posted on 12/12/2005 8:02:28 AM PST by hispanichoosier
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To: doc30; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; ...

Canada Ping!

Please FReepmail me to get on or off this Canada ping list.


6 posted on 12/12/2005 11:01:25 AM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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The so-called "Conservative" party in Canada is neither fiscally or socially conservative.

Yes, unlike the Republican party.

7 posted on 12/12/2005 12:24:36 PM PST by kanawa
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Yes, unlike the Republican party.

Speaking of which, do you guys actually have a true conservative party of any sort?
8 posted on 12/12/2005 1:18:38 PM PST by hispanichoosier
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To: hispanichoosier
Speaking of which, do you guys actually have a true conservative party of any sort?

Name a true conservative party and I'll see if we have anything that matchs.

9 posted on 12/12/2005 2:08:22 PM PST by kanawa
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To: doc30
Damn. You'd think we'd finally get some decent leftist vote splitting, but it is not panning out that way. Even the Greens can't get traction.

It also appears that Atlantic Canadians aren't as insulted about being bribed the way Quebecers were.
10 posted on 12/12/2005 3:09:13 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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I think he was being sarcastic about the Republican Party - which these days is inhabited by RINOS. No, the CPC is not perfect, but is a vast improvement over the Old Tory party helmed by Joe Clark in the 1990s.

The MPs of the CPC are probably far more conservative than their party's policy - a policy platform which is really in its infancy.
11 posted on 12/12/2005 3:15:28 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: doc30

Have you guys noticed that very few of Martin's promises involve any provinces west of Ontario. The only one I found was softwood lumber bailouts. I think Martin insults us in the west with such nonsense. We don't like handouts - unlike Atlantic Canadians who can't live without them. (53% Liberal support is proof in the pudding - I guess that offshore oil deal did the trick).


12 posted on 12/12/2005 3:18:38 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: hispanichoosier

There are many TRUE fiscal and social conservatives in the Conservative Party including it's leader. What we have here imo is a completely BRAIN WASHED people in the most populated area of the land and it's going to be incredibly hard to unseat the CRIMINALS. Corruption does NOT appear to matter to these people. Very sad for the country indeed. The entire country needs to split up. I'm SICK of being at the mercy of these idiots.


13 posted on 12/12/2005 4:03:38 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (I want Western Canada to SEPARATE - Western Canadians CANNOT win in a corrupt system)
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To: Canadian Outrage

Like my tag says, everyone has a price. Ontarians just happen to be statists. BTW, I've noticed in the chatter here in Ontario that the infamous "beer and popcorn" comment isn't having the effect that Conservatives thought it would. In fact many Ontarians agree with the "beer and popcorn" statement. What do you expect from a province where you can't even buy a beer in a regular store (for the public good) and where the suffocating nanny state in loved so dearly.


14 posted on 12/12/2005 7:36:03 PM PST by rasblue (Everyone has their price)
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To: doc30

I saw this coming when Layton pulled the plug.

The Tories and the Bloc put a gun in Layton's hand and made him pull the trigger.

Net effect NDP flight to the Liberals.

A classic sucker play.


15 posted on 12/12/2005 7:41:28 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: doc30
NDP voters are deserting the socialists for the Liberals. If those figures hold up, we could see a Liberal majority government in Ottawa next year.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

16 posted on 12/12/2005 7:44:51 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: doc30

Sounds like NDP voters are rather strategic in Ontario, and want to stop the aspirations of the Conservatives. Rather smart of them, really, given their ideology.


17 posted on 12/12/2005 7:46:44 PM PST by Torie
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To: beaver fever
Yep. 70% of Canadians vote for the Left. There's barely a party on the right to speak of. In Canada, choose your poison.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

18 posted on 12/12/2005 7:46:51 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: beaver fever

My guess, is that Ontario voters don't trust anyone but the Liberals to keep Canada together. Ontario views Ontario as of the essence of Canada, and the Conservatives all about the estranged plains.


19 posted on 12/12/2005 7:49:40 PM PST by Torie
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They're punishing Layton for misreading the mood in Ontario. Nothing seems to disturb the equanamity of Canadians - certainly not Liberal briefcases bulging with cash. The general attitude is "every one does it" and people are scared to death of Stephen Harper and what the Conservatives could do to ON.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

20 posted on 12/12/2005 7:50:18 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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