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Searching for the Memory of the Universe
Quantumbiocommunication.com ^ | 10 December 2005 | Thomas Herold

Posted on 12/10/2005 4:31:01 PM PST by broberts

I Just found this at www.scooop.net: Western scientists are beginning to discover what has been documented by Eastern sages and mystics for thousands of years; that within nature exists an interconnecting field that interweaves every atom, cell, organism, and mind, throughout time – “The Akashic Record.”


TOPICS: Philosophy
KEYWORDS: soul
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To: broberts

It's funny, I was thinking today how great it would be if there was some sort of way scientists in the future could look back into history to see things as they actually happened such as great catastrophic events, the creation of the asteroid belt, etc.


41 posted on 12/10/2005 6:06:29 PM PST by bkepley
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To: broberts
The Club features members such as the Dalai Lama, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, musician Peter Gabriel, and Bianca Jagger.

Right there, I lost interest in anything this organization had to say about God and consciousness. Bianca effing JAGGER, for heaven's sake?

42 posted on 12/10/2005 6:08:20 PM PST by Capriole (I don't have any problems that can't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition.)
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To: Lady Jag
Chaos, that would be my mind. All this sort of reminds me of fluxions. Perhaps Newton understood more than we think.
43 posted on 12/10/2005 6:28:15 PM PST by Fielding ("Others have died for my freedom, now this is my mark" Cpl. Jeffrey B. Starr")
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To: Fielding
Chaos by Gleick is a great book on it. You can find order in chaos.
44 posted on 12/10/2005 6:56:09 PM PST by Lady Jag (Honor - Dignity - Courage - Troll Consumption)
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To: broberts

The part is in the whole, and the whole is in the part. Just like a hologram. I don't find it all suprising that everything is connected in somewhay or another. Google "morphogenetic resonance" to get a better idea of this line of thinking. The memories of species (specieal memory) is particularly interesting. G_d does not play dice.


45 posted on 12/10/2005 7:07:06 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: SE Mom

It's always good to hear of folks brought to G_d by science. I'm one of them. Universal constants and the weak nuclear force did it for me.


46 posted on 12/10/2005 7:09:10 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: djf; Sam the Sham; Baraonda; RegulatorCountry; PJ-Comix; Williams; Former Proud Canadian
So continuing (and stealing some thoughts from your replies above)...

For those that said the transfer of knowledge is not enough, I pose a few questions...

Say we have a chip that enhances your memory. All it does is stimulates certain neurons to fire that enhance your recollection, giving you a perfect photographic memory. Now say I add a memory extension chip to that, it adds to the neurons that are already storing memories and it combines with them to store memories. Your experiences are now not completely in biological, nor artifical memory, but a combination of both. Say we continue this process as neurons die by replacing each neuron with an artificial one. At what point do you stop becoming you? Your physical form is still there, as are your experiences.

Now your heart fails, so it is replaced with an artificial one. Flesh is still there, now there is a machine pumping your blood. You lose an arm in an accident and it is replaced with a remarkably life-like prosthesis. The process continues until there is very little, yet still some, real flesh left on your body. Are you still you? Are you still alive?

I don't know. I'm not sure that anyone has the answer. The thing that makes this so difficuld, at least for me, is the fact that it's a gradual transformation. I don't know what causes conciousness. If it is the brain, if all of the information in a human brain is gradually transferred into computer memory, in your body, interacting with your biological brain, are you still you?

47 posted on 12/10/2005 7:20:58 PM PST by AntiKev (We pilots count our time in the air as if all other time is unimportant.)
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To: AntiKev

One of the interesting things is that there is nowhere in our bodies even one single cell that "knows" who "I" am, or really even "Knows" that it is alive.

So we have to be in some way more than just a sum of the parts, and I guess that's about as close as I can come to a definition of a "soul".

As I get older, I constantly find that one of the saddest parts about life is never having answers to some of the greatest mysteries.


48 posted on 12/10/2005 7:28:23 PM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: AntiKev

"Say we continue this process as neurons die by replacing each neuron with an artificial one."

Your premise is completely loony. You can't replace a neuron, which is living matter, with inanimate matter.


49 posted on 12/10/2005 7:29:54 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: djf

"As I get older, I constantly find that one of the saddest parts about life is never having answers to some of the greatest mysteries."

Because we're looking for the answers in the complex, when, perhaps, we should be looking in the simple. In the simple may lie the solution.

Just a suggestion.


50 posted on 12/10/2005 7:32:06 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Baraonda
The Biological Neuron

Each neuron is a cell that uses biochemical reactions to receive, process and transmit information.

If you understand, even on a base level, how a neuron works. You can conceptually think that we could build an electronic circuit that mimics a neuron. We're not there yet...note I said yet.

Just the simple fact that the brain works with what are essentially electric charges (energy cannot be created or destroyed [1st law of Thermodynamics] but it can change forms) means that a circuit could be created to mimic it's effects.

If I said to you 50 years ago that computers would be the size of a briefcase and easily accessable to the majority of the population you would have thought I was crazy. Think of everything we've known in the past. First we knew the Earth was flat. I think this gets my point across.

51 posted on 12/10/2005 7:39:16 PM PST by AntiKev (We pilots count our time in the air as if all other time is unimportant.)
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To: Baraonda
Oh, and I forgot to add:

It's a THOUGHT EXPERIMENT. YMMV.

52 posted on 12/10/2005 7:39:59 PM PST by AntiKev (We pilots count our time in the air as if all other time is unimportant.)
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To: Baraonda

Just seems you can spend your life searching for answers, with an honest belief that if you do it faithfully and true, you will find something.

Then you find out the yolk's on you...

Depressing.


53 posted on 12/10/2005 7:42:59 PM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: AntiKev
[1st law of Thermodynamics]

What happens to the energy of an active, healthy, human being upon death?

54 posted on 12/10/2005 7:55:16 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Returns back to God.


55 posted on 12/10/2005 8:01:33 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
It's not destroyed. That is not possible (by the current form of the physical laws). It's transferred into another form. There are many forms of energy, and I'm sure many that we haven't found yet. But the majority of the energy used in your daily life started as chemical energy. You ate breakfast and it had a certain chemical make up.

By far the most common is sucrose (I think that's the correct name, it's essentially simple sugar) C6H12O6. Your body absorbs the compound and a chemical reaction happens:

C6H12O6 + 6O2 -> 6CO2 + 6H20 + heat energy

You'll note that this is a reversible chemical reaction, where the reverse is photosynthesis:

6CO2 + 6H20 + light energy -> 6O2 + C6H12O6

That energy is what allows you to function. It is stored in many forms inside your body. When you die, by far the majority of energy in your body is stored in your muscles and fat. Now I'm just speaking of chemical energy at this point. So the chemical energy is still there when you die.

When you die, you lose heat. Heat energy is present in huamns as well. Right now you're approximately 98.6*F. When you (quite litterally) and I hate to be morbid about it, but you asked, go to room temperature, there is a large amount of heat energy released to the surroundings (ground, atmosphere).

And I'm not a biologist so I can't tell you about any other forms, but I'm sure someone else could chime in.

56 posted on 12/10/2005 8:09:03 PM PST by AntiKev (We pilots count our time in the air as if all other time is unimportant.)
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To: AntiKev

Sir. I am no youngster. I only reach 98.6*F when I have a fever.:)


57 posted on 12/10/2005 8:14:06 PM PST by Fielding ("Others have died for my freedom, now this is my mark" Cpl. Jeffrey B. Starr")
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To: SE Mom

"What struck me then, as now, is why every scientist in the world wasn't/isn't a devoutly religious person..."

Most of the brilliant scientists are. It is the muddle-headed ones who are not.


58 posted on 12/10/2005 8:16:33 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: SE Mom
What struck me then, as now, is why every scientist in the world wasn't/isn't a devoutly religious person...

The same reason as always. Their sin gets in the way of them seeing the truth.

59 posted on 12/10/2005 8:32:36 PM PST by GSHastings
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To: AntiKev

Thanks. You are on track to answer my question. I was just wondering where all the vibrant energy went in the process of decay.


60 posted on 12/10/2005 10:45:15 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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