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Do the Americans Have a Global Conscience? (Kyoto-esque BARF alert)
CBC (Canada) ^ | Dec 9, 2005 | CBC

Posted on 12/09/2005 3:03:35 PM PST by proud_yank

Word out of the White House is that the Bush administration is powerfully peeved by remarks delivered Wednesday by Prime Minister Paul Martin at the UN Conference on Climate Change.

"There is such a thing as a global conscience," Martin told reporters at the Montreal conference, referring specifically to the American refusal to commit to even a watered-down plan to cut greenhouse gasses.

The Americans, not surprisingly, took exception to Martin's scolding, and delivered one of their own to Canadian Ambassador Frank McKenna on Thursday.

Jim Connaughton, chairman of the Council on Environmental Quality, told McKenna that Martin's comments are the worst slight against President George W. Bush since Germany's Gerhard Schroeder had the temerity to suggest that Bush's stance against the Kyoto Protocol was responsible for hurricane Katrina.

Do the Americans have reason to be upset? American officials speaking at the Montreal conference after Martin delivered his broadside, correctly pointed out that the Americans have actually done a better job than Canada at reducing greenhouse gasses, even without signing on to Kyoto.

The rise in Canadian emissions has been twice that of the U.S. between 1990 and 2003, although a large part of the Canadian increase is directly attributable to increasing oil and gas exports from Canada to its energy hungry neighbour to the south (add Reality Check link). Nevertheless, it is not surprising that the Americans are getting a bit weary of being lectured to by a Canadian government that seems incapable of practising what it preaches.

But the prime minister really muddied the water by raising the question of a "global conscience". That is not something that can be measured as easily as greenhouse gasses.

The Americans are acutely aware of how much their global image has been damaged by their misadventure in Iraq and other unilateral foreign policy decisions, including Kyoto. They are currently spending millions of dollars on a massive public relations campaign to, among other things, convince people around the world that they do indeed have a global conscience.

The last thing the Bush administration needs is for the leader of one of its closest allies to raise that issue in front of the world's media at an international conference where the Americans were already being portrayed as standing in the way of progress on global warming.

Canada and the U.S. have had a series of highly visible disagreements over the past few years, from Iraq, to missile defence, to Kyoto and softwood lumber. It is clear that in this election campaign, Paul Martin intends to use all of these disputes as a way of differentiating himself from the Conservatives.

He will claim that he has stood up for Canada, while Stephen Harper would have rolled over. The American's rebuff of Martin's comments on Wednesday indicates Washington has no intention of spending the next six weeks playing the role of Paul Martin's punching bag. It was a signal that there will be consequences if the Liberals want to play politics with Canada-U.S. relations.

And as for that photo op between Martin and Bill Clinton in Montreal on Friday afternoon, expect that they won’t be jumping for joy in Washington about that one either.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: canada; globalsocialism; kyoto; martin
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"There is such a thing as a global conscience," Martin told reporters at the Montreal conference, referring specifically to the American refusal to commit to even a watered-down plan to cut greenhouse gasses.

Where is your conscience PM Martin, you haven't passed ONE PIECE OF LEGISLATION to implement Kyoto yet!
1 posted on 12/09/2005 3:03:36 PM PST by proud_yank
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To: proud_yank

"Do the Americans Have a Global Conscience?"

No, but we got the "Global Wallet".

:)


2 posted on 12/09/2005 3:06:35 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Do we get extra credit for putting out the oil well fires in Kuwait?


3 posted on 12/09/2005 3:07:32 PM PST by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: proud_yank

If global warming is real, where are the changes in global sea level?


4 posted on 12/09/2005 3:10:33 PM PST by onedoug
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To: proud_yank

Liberal morons of the media. They just cannot stand it because their failed socialism does not work.


5 posted on 12/09/2005 3:10:37 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: proud_yank
There is such a thing as a global conscience

No, there is not.

6 posted on 12/09/2005 3:11:49 PM PST by RightWhale (Not transferable -- Good only for this trip)
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To: proud_yank

"The Americans are acutely aware of how much their global image has been damaged by their misadventure in Iraq and other unilateral foreign policy decisions, including Kyoto."

Im getting sick of these people.


7 posted on 12/09/2005 3:13:09 PM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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To: MARKUSPRIME

Yes. This whole Kyoto travesty was nothing more than a failed effort to shake down the U.S. and now is being used by our enemies at home as well as abroad as another venue for venting their anti-American idiocy. Enemies at home include most of the democrat party and the leftist media.


8 posted on 12/09/2005 3:23:42 PM PST by scory
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To: proud_yank

Do the Canadians Have any Global Testicular Fortitude?


9 posted on 12/09/2005 3:26:31 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's no coincidence that the Democrat mascot is a jackass.)
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To: proud_yank

Canada - the hall monitor for the world!


10 posted on 12/09/2005 3:27:26 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: MARKUSPRIME; scory

I'm rather sick of them too. When idiots like Walter Cronkite come out with statements like 'The American voter is not intelligent enough to elect a good leader', I do have to smile. It is nice to know that with the rise of the internet, and other means, people can seek accurate information on their own besides the biased dribble the leftist MSM spews.


11 posted on 12/09/2005 3:30:59 PM PST by proud_yank (Experience Tolerance: tell a liberal you own guns and drive an SUV!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Even if we agree there is such a thing as "global conscience" and that manmade global warming exists and is seriously affecting climate changes, and that something needs to be done to curb the carbon dioxide we produce, there are some figures to consider:

Between 1990 and 2003, the carbon dioxide level Canada produced rose by 24%.


Between 1990 and 2003, the carbon dioxide level the United States produced fell by 2%.

Talking about model citizens. Yeah right.


12 posted on 12/09/2005 3:31:07 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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To: vbmoneyspender

LOL, that pretty much sums up liberalism in general. 'Keep whining for someone else to do something'


13 posted on 12/09/2005 3:32:39 PM PST by proud_yank (Experience Tolerance: tell a liberal you own guns and drive an SUV!)
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To: proud_yank
It is interesting that "Global Warming" is the new lie that is being used to further socialism....the return of state control and Nazism isn't going to come in the form of Hitler...that is too obvious for everyone to see...the new fascism will come from an unexpected source.....clearly telling a big lie like: "the world is warming...unless we shut down free enterprise and institute more government control..." is a great way to seize power as a "good guy"... Hitler wasn't hated in Germany...he was liked..he was going to "help them"....these global warming scum aren't hated either...after all, they are going to save us too..... ugggghhhh history repeating itself but not a slightly different incarnation...as it always does...
14 posted on 12/09/2005 3:38:38 PM PST by There You Go Again
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To: There You Go Again

absolutely. An interesting thing to know is that one of the founding members of Greenpeace left for that reason, he saw that the environmentalist cause he supported was being taken over by those trying to push a political agenda. (He was on Penn & Teller, great show!)


15 posted on 12/09/2005 3:41:04 PM PST by proud_yank (Experience Tolerance: tell a liberal you own guns and drive an SUV!)
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To: NZerFromHK
These Kyoto jokers have recently stated that 100 villagers living on some island in the South Pacific had to move inland because the polar caps are melting and causing the sea level to rise. Meanwhile, we Americans are still planning on spending billions of taxpayer dollar to rebuild New Orleans.

I don't get it.

Somebody is peeing on my leg and telling me that it's raining.

16 posted on 12/09/2005 3:48:38 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: proud_yank

I'm having Beans tonight in celebration of the death of kyoto!~}


17 posted on 12/09/2005 3:48:56 PM PST by funkywbr
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To: funkywbr

Might I suggest that you drive (in SUV of course) to a store farther away than usual, and cook them on a gas-grill instead of on your stove.

I think I should go for a drive to celebrate Kyoto as well.


18 posted on 12/09/2005 3:52:45 PM PST by proud_yank (Experience Tolerance: tell a liberal you own guns and drive an SUV!)
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To: proud_yank

I'd love to go for a drive, but 4 inches of snow fell here in central Maryland this morning. During the day it only got warm enough for snow melt to cover the local streets. Now the temperature is falling to a predicted 18 F, and the streets are covered in ice.

Global warming? This is my fifth winter in Maryland. Four of those five have had average temperatures well below normal. Europe has had similar conditions. Looks like global cooling, to me.


19 posted on 12/09/2005 4:17:17 PM PST by jimtorr
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To: proud_yank
Let's see. We freed the Croats, Bosnians, Kosovars, Afghans and Iraqis[and yes, Canada sent troops to Afghanistan]. We're spending billions in establishing democracy in Iraq, and are having success in Lebanon, the Gulf States, and Egypt in pushing democracy. we got Khaddafi to forswear nukes and WMDs. Allied with Britain, Australia and many other nations, we're making the world safer.

PM Martin is busy disarming his own citizens, bitching about soft wood, and sticking his tiny dagger in Sam's ankle every chance he gets [see the missile defense system]. We produce less CO2 than Canuckistan, without Kyoto. They produce more in violation of the treaty they signed, and he bitches about us.Martin has no conscience, global or otherwise.
20 posted on 12/09/2005 4:22:30 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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