Posted on 12/09/2005 2:58:54 PM PST by lizol
Ukraine May Raise Rent On Russia's Black Sea Fleet 9 December 2005
A senior Ukrainian official says Kyiv may ask Russia to pay more to base its Black Sea fleet in the Crimean port of Sevastopol.
Anatoliy Matviyenko, deputy head of the presidential administration, said today that if the two countries are going to switch to world prices, "Ukraine has the right" to raise the fleet's rent to international levels.
Russia and Ukraine are involved in a bitter dispute over gas prices.
Russia is asking Ukraine to pay world market prices for gas deliveries, offering in return to pay market prices for transit across Ukraine.
Ukraine has rejected the proposal. Kyiv currently receives cheap gas from Russia in return for its free transit to Europe.
Ukrainian Prime Minister Yuriy Yekhanurov said today that the energy ministers of Ukraine and Russia are set to hold another round of gas talks in Moscow on 12 December.
This will be interesting to see how a bridge is built over trouble waters.
Big money problems keep both parts (Ukrainian and Russian) pretty much tied to the pier.
The matter with the Russian Black Sea is in the right direction but not enough- create a commission which will work around the clock on ways to stick it to Russia. A complete blockade on the Ukrainian side of the Transdniester Republic; crackdown on pro-Russian parties, a la reviewing their source of income and if there's a single Russian ruble in the accounts of these parties- freeze the accounts or confiscate it- pay for the Russian gas with them; join NATO the day after, without the referendum; send Ukrainian peacekeepers to Abkhazia/Georgia; recognize Chechnia as a sovereign state; close down the Russian Orthodox Church on the basis that it's spreading anti-Ukrainian propaganda- I hope that the constitution says that it's a punishable offense.
That's something that even I can come up with, but there are some smarter people out there who could do better.
ping
Where d'you think this is heading?
Don't worry, the new pipeline will be done in an other two or three years and Russian gas can avoid your territory totally. Why should Ukraine get any price cuts when its stance is constantly anti-Russian? Welcome to world prices. As for the $250 price, I'm sure it's to offset the fact that Ukraine said it would keep raising transfer fees until its price stays at $50. Well in the end, your new friends in Germany and the EU are going to be very happy with you when you let their January and February be extremely cold, not to mention your own people that will do a Mousilini on Yushchenko and his strumpet Tymoshenko.
You really supported a set of looser. They took less then 8 months to ship wreck the Ukrainian economy totally. Congrats, even that schmuk in Venezuela hasn't accomplished anything that impressive.
To a very cold winter in Ukraine and Europe. To a lot of Europeans pissed to hell and back at Ukraine. To China, Japan, and S.Korea and America (hopefully my prices will come down) buying up extra supply until a new pipeline is built directly to Germany and France and England by-passing Ukraine and Poland, just like Blue Stream already delivers directly to Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria, etc.
In other words, your killing your own goose but you won't get to eat it.
But honestly, it will never reach that far. The Orange thieves and embassels will loose the next March elections by a frozen land slide.
I took one look at that headline and, clear as a bell, I could hear Eddie Murphy reciting, "Kill my landlord, kill my landlord!"
These Western Ukrainian Nationalists are determined to finally and fully sink their economy while trying to transfer funds from the pro-Russian east to the agricultural and barely industrialized west. What this will do at best is create a Federated system at worst, civil war. Problem is, people like him are to blinded to see this coming and are always the surprised ones who never saw it coming.
It is part of Putin's operation to throw out Yushenko.
Ex communists or 3rd wayers... Not much of a choice that I can see.
Ivan, you are living in your dream's world.
Oh, the voice of Brussels is back. About bed time for you, isn't it? It's what in Brussels, 3 AM?
Gee!
What have the Oranges to say? They're threatening to steal gas to keep their costs "low".
Can't you see $180 is far better than others in the world have to pay?
The matter with the Russian Black Sea is in the right direction but not enough- create a commission which will work around the clock on ways to stick it to Russia. A complete blockade on the Ukrainian side of the Transdniester Republic; crackdown on pro-Russian parties, a la reviewing their source of income and if there's a single Russian ruble in the accounts of these parties- freeze the accounts or confiscate it- pay for the Russian gas with them; join NATO the day after, without the referendum; send Ukrainian peacekeepers to Abkhazia/Georgia; recognize Chechnia as a sovereign state; close down the Russian Orthodox Church on the basis that it's spreading anti-Ukrainian propaganda- I hope that the constitution says that it's a punishable offense. ===
In matter of Sevastopol Russia already payed Ukraine the rent until 2017. You cann't sell one product twice can you?:))
Other things you propose create civil unrest and even war in Ukraine.
Ukrainian peacekeepers has to enter Abkhazia. How can they if abkhazians will shoot on them? War again now with Abkhazia?
Chechya as sovereign state? It will be wonderful for me:). At least Russia will throw away this burden. But Russia of cause will keep the land of Terek Kazaks.
Close down Russian Ortodox Church? You are amazing:). Even commies in highest of thier power couldn't do this. It is immidiate civil war and barricades in Kiev. Remember Russian Ortodox Church was founded in Kiev.
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