seems a pity to wake them...
Posted on 12/09/2005 2:52:39 PM PST by Mount Athos
THE eldest of four Pakistani gang rapist brothers has admitted lying at trial and apologised to his victims but said he thought he had a right to rape the "promiscuous" teenage girls.
MSK, 27, told the NSW Supreme Court yesterday that this was because the girls did not wear headscarves, were drinking alcohol and were unaccompanied when they went to his Ashfield home. MSK also blamed his intoxication, "cultural beliefs" and an undiagnosed mental disorder.
He and his brothers MAK, 25, MRK, 21, and MMK, 19 - who cannot be named for legal reasons - are serving between 10 and 22 years for raping two girls in 2002. All except MRK are yet to be sentenced for several other rapes.
Yesterday evidence was being heard on a sentence for MSK for the rapes of two more girls, TW, then 14, and CH, then 13. He admitted that some of the evidence he had given at an earlier trial was fabricated, particularly that he had had consensual sex with TW and that she had coaxed him.
"It was a pretty big untruth when you said that it was consensual sex, wasn't it?" asked the Crown prosecutor, Ken McKay.
"Yes," he replied.
You chose to lie about that, correct? - Yes.
During a long apology to TW, who was in court, he stopped mid-sentence to reprimand her.
"I wish to say this to [TW], that at the time when I commit these offences I come from such a background which led me to - don't shake your head, I'm telling you something - I say now that I hurt you and I'm extremely, extremely apologetic to you and I'm, I wish to say one thing more.
"I'm serving 22 years … I'm just requesting to you that you one day may come that you realise that the person who assaulted me is in prison … and I should forgive him. I'm asking for your forgiveness." He said it was only now, since he had gained a "better understanding of Australian culture", that he knew the rapes were wrong.
He arrived in Sydney for the ninth and final time four days before committing several rapes over six months. He had planned to study medicine.
He agreed he knew the girls did not want to have sex. "[TW] said no but I go ahead with it because I believe that at the time I commit these offences, I believe that she was promiscuous …" he said. "She don't know us, I don't know her, like she was not related to us and she was not wearing any purdah … like she was not … covered her face, she was not wearing any headscarf and she started drinking with us and she was singing.
"First off, I was actually, I was not taking my medication so I was under the influence of voices and secondly I believe at the time when I commit these offences that she had no right to say no."
Mr McKay said the voices excuse was a last-ditch strategy to avoid justice. "You wanted to hurt and terrorise these girls and you did that. You used acts of sexual intercourse on them."
The matter was adjourned until next Friday.
seems a pity to wake them...
LOL!!!! Wonder why the troll wont reply to my list of 6 questions? I have plenty more after that!
The point was not about oppression, but whether or not these nations live peacefully. Largely, they do.
Apartheid is not solely an Islamic concept.
See Japan, South Africa and the US South for examples.
From post # 57:
The existence of a moderate Muslim majority is not a question of “Islamophobia” or lack thereof, but of fact. But it is a fact that is very hard to ascertain with certainty -- not least because of the problem of definition: it’s useless to affirm that there is a “moderate Muslim majority” without clearing up the meaning of the word “moderate.” What makes a moderate Muslim? One who does not and never will engage in terrorist acts? That would make moderates an overwhelming majority of Muslims worldwide. Or is a moderate one who sincerely disapproves of those terrorist acts? That would reduce the number of moderates. Or is a moderate Muslim one who actively speaks out and works against the jihadists? That would lower the number yet again. Or finally, is a moderate Muslim one who actively engages the jihadists in a theological battle, trying to convince Muslims on Islamic grounds that jihad terrorism is wrong? That would leave us with a tiny handful.
This will be my last post to you, at your request.
The "bias" of AI resulted in the release of numerous Soviet political prisoners, many of whom I knew (Moroz, Rudenko, Stus), and other I have admired (Sakharov, Bukovsky).
When you can point to belonging to an organization which is apolitical and has saved countless lives, you can throw stones.
Duh! Thanks genious.
As you raised the example of malalaysia as a example of muslim nations, please address the religious apartheid issue there. Do you even know anything about it?
So you admit that they are oppressed by islam? Yes or no?
As for peacefully.. if I shoved a gun in someones face and told them not to move or I would shoot them, would you consider them in a "peaceful" position, or under duress?
Im still waiting for a reply to my questions 1-6 and about "islamophobia."
Last post tonight -
I think there are many things wrong with nations which claim to represent Islam. I don't think it is Islam itself.
In the ME and Muslim Africa, I believe the primary issues are extreme corruption, lack of universal education, and unemployment, which all result in poverty. I'd throw in oppression of women and a complete lack of respect for human rights. Most of these emanate from Arab cultures, though Iran has all of these problems as well.
In Indonesia and the Phillipines, I think again, corruption, poevery and human rights violations are the dominant issues.
I have serious issues with Wahhibism, which has funded radical Islam in poor nations, perverted the Koran, and brought pain and suffering to millions, from Chechnya to the Phillipines. But I view this as a sect, rather than all of Islam.
That's better. Now I can understand it.
I'm speechless
As I said above, I have lives as an expat dhimmi and have heard and seen the results of horrors that most here could never imagine... seeing and listening to people (both muslim and non-muslim) whose life you hold in your hands and listen the stories of islamic butchery and oppression they tell.
So please, one again, dont piss on my shoes and tell me its raining when it comes to islam.
Wahhabisim is only one of the latest incarnations of salafyism, and is in effect a return to pure (true) islam as preached and practiced by mohammed himself. Check out the prophecy of the 72 sects sometime.
And look into the 6 questions I asked you. Find your own answers and I guarantee it will open your eyes.
Would you mind asking your correspondent if this is the Stus to whom she refers?
1938, January 8
Vasyl Stus born in Rakhnivka, Vinnytsia region, Ukrainian SSR
late 1950s
graduates from Donetsk Pedagogical Institute and takes teaching assignment near his birthplace
1959
his poems appear in print for first time
1963
a substantial selection of his poems is published in the literary magazine, Dnipro
1964
admitted to post-graduate studies at Institute of Literature, Kyiv
1965
appointed senior academic assistant at the State Historic Archives; marries Valentyna Popeliukh; Ukrainian intellectuals arrested under Article 62 of the Penal Code ("Slandering the State")
1965, September 4 (Kyiv)
premiere screening of Shadow of Forgotten Ancestors; Stus' first public political protest; his expulsion from doctoral studies
1966
son Dmytro born; trials of those arrested in 1965
1966, June
Stus dismissed from his position at the Archives
1968 (Summer)
writes open letter to Writers' Union of Ukraine protesting arrests of writers; signs letter to Soviet leaders defending imprisoned Ukrainian intellectuals
1969
writes article in Literaturna Ukraina describing campaign of terror against Ukrainian intellectuals
1970
collection of poems, Zymovi Dereva, published in Brussels
1970, December 7
funeral of artist Alla Horska to whom Stus dedicates poem
1971, December
Stus writes letters to Writers' Union and to Secretary of the Communist Party of Ukraine, accusing them of persecution of Ukrainian intellectuals
1972, January 13
Stus arrested and imprisoned in Kyiv
1972, February 4
KGB search Stus' apartment, confiscate papers and books, and charge him under Article 62
1972, August 31
his trial begins in Kyiv Regional Court
1972, September 7
Stus convicted and sentenced to five years of forced labour in Special Regime camp in Mordovian ASSR and three years of internal exile in Siberia
1976, January
Stus' "J'Accuse" document attacking KGB is smuggled out of camp and published in New York
1975, August 2
Suffers haemorrhage from perforated ulcer in camp
1976, July
goes on hunger strike demanding return of his poetry
1977
begins compulsory labour at gold mine near Magadan, Siberia
1978
Stus' father dies
1979, October
returns to Kyiv at end of sentence; joins the Ukrainian Group of the Committee for the Observance of the Helsinki Accords
1980, May 14
Stus indicted as a repeat offender under Article 62
1980, October 2
sentenced to ten years of forced labour in a maximum security camp and five years of internal exile
1983
his prison notebook circulates in the West
1985
an international committee of scholars, writers, and poets nominates Stus as a candidate for the 1986 Nobel Prize in Literature
1985, September 4
Stus dies, aged 47, in labour camp 36-1 near Perm, Russia
I knew Ghandi and washed his loincloths every night.
And he would hit me with his stick every time I mis-spelt his name....
Per your #146.
This Stus? (#155)
You're pssing on my shoes, right?
I'm trying to imagine you as the pacifists little handmaiden...did you have to drink his urine, too? Or could he manage that all by himself?
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