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1 posted on 12/08/2005 7:05:31 AM PST by SJackson
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"Afterwards the citizens of the Caliphate (which will be raised in Denmark) will wage war on Oslo, [and] they will fight their neighboring Scandinavian countries in order to join their lands to the territory of the Caliphate."

Don't count on it, the decendants of the Vikings may suddenly find their b@lls and put a quick end to it.


2 posted on 12/08/2005 7:11:57 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Hillary 2008, if elected YOU DESERVE HER (and HIM! AGAIN!))
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To: SJackson

Bump.


3 posted on 12/08/2005 7:17:57 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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"And he (Ishmael) will be a wild ass of a man; his hand
will be against everyone, and everyone's hand will be
against him." (Genesis 16:12).

Seems to be the case.


4 posted on 12/08/2005 7:22:45 AM PST by beethovenfan
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5 posted on 12/08/2005 7:22:49 AM PST by SJackson (There's no such thing as too late, that's why they invented death. Walter Matthau)
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A good article on Hizb ut Tahrir in the latest issuse of Foreign Affairs

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20051101faessay84607/zeyno-baran/fighting-the-war-of-ideas.html

Fighting the War of Ideas
Zeyno Baran
From Foreign Affairs, November/December 2005

Article preview: first 500 of 3,858 words total.

Summary: While radical Islamist terrorist groups such as al Qaeda grab the headlines, their nonviolent ideological cousins remain little known. But groups such as Hizb ut-Tahrir play a crucial role in indoctrinating Muslims with radical ideology. Because they occupy a gray zone of militancy, regulating them is a diffcult challenge for liberal democracies -- but ignoring them is no longer an option.

VANGUARD PARTY
Islam and the West are not engaged in a clash of civilizations -- at least not yet. But the West is being drawn into the clash of two competing ideologies within the Islamic world. Proponents of the first believe that Islam is compatible with secular democracy and basic civil liberties. Proponents of the second are committed to replacing the current world order with a new caliphate -- that is, a global Islamic state. They are the ones who seek to trigger a true clash of civilizations, partly in order to force the more moderate Muslims to choose their interpretation of Islam.

Extremist Islamist organizations such as al Qaeda have become well known in recent years for trying to accomplish their objectives through terrorism and political violence. Less well known, however, are the complementary organizations devoted not to direct action but to ideological struggle. Of these, the most important has been Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT, or the Party of Liberation), a transnational movement that has served as radical Sunni Islamism's ideological vanguard.

HT is not itself a terrorist organization, but it can usefully be thought of as a conveyor belt for terrorists. It indoctrinates individuals with radical ideology, priming them for recruitment by more extreme organizations where they can take part in actual operations. By combining fascist rhetoric, Leninist strategy, and Western sloganeering with Wahhabi theology, HT has made itself into a very real and potent threat that is extremely difficult for liberal societies to counter.

HT's ideology and theology, which are derived from those of other radical Islamist groups, are simplified to make them more accessible to the masses. Whereas many other Islamist groups insist that their particular religious interpretation is the only valid one or are obsessed with a single issue, such as Israel or Kashmir, HT keeps its focus on the broader goal of uniting all Muslims under the Islamist banner and thus emphasizes issues of more general concern, such as the clash of civilizations or the injustices suffered by Muslims worldwide. Other radical Islamists therefore tend to see the group not as a competitor but as an ally and often use HT's concepts and literature (readily available on the Internet) to rally their own supporters.

HT's greatest achievement to date is that it has shifted the terms of debate within the Muslim world. Until a few years ago, most Islamist groups considered the notion of establishing a new caliphate a utopian goal. Now, an increasing number of people consider it a serious objective. And after decades of stressing the existence and unity of a global Islamic community (umma), HT can take pride in the growing feeling among Muslims that their primary identity stems from, and their primary loyalty is owed to, their religion rather than their race, ethnicity, or nationality.

HT's exact size is difficult to confirm because the group is composed of secretive cells, but its membership is estimated to number in the hundreds in European countries, such as Denmark, and up to tens of thousands in Muslim countries, such as ...

End of preview: first 500 of 3,858 words total.


ZEYNO BARAN is Director of the International Security and Energy Programs at the Nixon Center, in Washington, D.C.


8 posted on 12/08/2005 7:47:42 AM PST by Valin (Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege)
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To: SJackson

bump for later reading


9 posted on 12/08/2005 7:48:09 AM PST by Hugin
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"The group’s goal is to establish a global caliphate and force all non-Muslim states to pay a tax"

We already do pay this tax. We pay it through OPEC.


10 posted on 12/08/2005 7:59:04 AM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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I'm just wondering how this "Global Caliphate" is going to happen when these d!@kless cowards still hide behind women and children when real men confront them?


11 posted on 12/08/2005 7:59:45 AM PST by EricT. (Caiaphas acted just like a modern Democrat.)
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Aw Jeeze, two more nut groups! These looney tunes keep popping up like weeds in July! Where the bleep is the Ortho Weed-B-Gone?


12 posted on 12/08/2005 8:17:03 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (Not a nickel, not a dime, stop sending my tax money to Hamastine!)
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To: SJackson
Rev. 13:16 through Rev. 13:18 (KJV)
16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

A single maniacal ruler? A tax on all? Hmmm...

Islam is a great danger to freedom everywhere.
16 posted on 12/08/2005 11:33:34 AM PST by Neever
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If it's an Islamic Group, Mosque, whatever, it should be immediately be dismantled and tossed into the Atlantic or Pacific Oceans.

Banning Islam should be the goal of these United States. It's not a religion, it's a murderous cult. Always has been, always will be.


17 posted on 12/08/2005 11:33:56 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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Global jihad bump


27 posted on 12/12/2005 10:37:24 PM PST by Dajjal
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