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‘SLEEPER CELL’ TV SERIES NEEDED
CAGE (Coalition Against Global Extremism) ^ | 12/3/05 | J. Grant Swank, Jr.

Posted on 12/07/2005 2:27:18 PM PST by LibWhacker

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41 posted on 12/08/2005 5:43:40 PM PST by Cindy
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To: iraqikurd
Don't speak to me as if I am a Muslim, I am not.

Then you're either an idiot, a lier, or a naive wordsmither for giving that impression.

43 posted on 12/08/2005 8:21:19 PM PST by JoeSixPack1
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Only a fool would suggest they speak for "most other people within the civilized world".

You fit the bill nicely.

45 posted on 12/08/2005 8:38:24 PM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: iraqikurd
It was a great wakeup call for us and the world that we can no longer kick this ball down field but at the same time we will be looking and numerous more 9/11's unless we take hold and deal with why and how the Islamic fundmentalists are able to recruit and what gives them leverage to recruit.

Perhaps the articles I linked up in a blog post today might tell you why some of us are a bit skeptical of the general benevolence of "most Muslims." As I point out in my post, it has become increasingly difficult to take a supposed religion seriously when their theology is loudly defined by a few. An outsider to Christianity might content himself with generalized concepts of the religion, but once he decides to explore further, he finds a diversity of interpretation and theology...most of whose adherents are perfectly happy to duke it out in words, rather than fatwas and sharia. When word gets out that Islam uses the promise of feminine favors in an afterlife of fornication whilst also spelling out exact treatment of women who have the audacity to show more skin than on their faces, much less how it is well and proper for the husband to beat his wife for a momentary suspicion while he takes trips to Western countries and breaks every law in the Koran because he has been told all he has to do is convert in the name of Allah, no one who is born with the benefit of Judeo-Christian inheritance can look upon Islam as anything other than a destructive system. Not a religion. It may be quite easy to say its only just a few, but many Westerners hve noted how EASILY those few have led dominated the conversation, and how limp-wristed so many of them are in their response to put the extremists where they belong. It becomes patently obvious that Islam is no longer about seeking reunion with God; it is about gaining power, and Mohammed describes a very effective method of doing so in a so-called "holy book."

Im sorry to be so contentious with you, because I have read your other posts and know that you have described yourself as Jewish. This is a bit shocking to me, because another widely promoted concept is that Jews and Muslims will NEVER get along...and this is NOT because of some silly media manipulations. This is HISTORY many of us are looking. No, Im not calling you a liar. I AM saying this protestation of being Jewish does NOT give satisfactory reason for the rest of us to go "oh, well if HE says it, then it must be true." Westerners have had FOUR years to pick up copies of the Koran and read it and conclude that there can only be two effective responses to it : 1) nullify it to cult status in the world and replace it with a religion that is more representative of God's Holy Spirit, or 2) the Imams/members/teachers/ etc. ACTIVELY pursue an INTENSE REFORMATION. Personally, I think it would be much easier if they all just converted to Judaism, or Christianity, whichever they think their belief fall closest to. But they really need to abandon a doctrine made up by a man who was only seeking poewr at the time.

48 posted on 12/08/2005 9:09:20 PM PST by Alkhin (He thinks I need keeping in order - Peregrin Took, FOTR)
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Thank you for your kindness in responding :D .. and I believe you when you say you are Jewish...I was just a bit shocked, if that makes any sense. I am very glad that what is happening in Iraq is giving the Iraqis the chance they need to rebuild their lives and country and I really hope that in doing so they will also have the opportunity and strength to weed out those destructive parts of Islam. You were right to point out that Christianity has had its destructive moments in history. I think our Western modernity has afforded us the luxury of no longer having to struggle with those parts that are destructive to our faith ie slavery, treatment of women, etc. Granted, there are forces still at work that serve to undermine the message both Jews and Christians recieve from the Torah and New Testament, but somehow, the concept that change has to be achieved through the more violent aspects of the faith has became something that we measure against, rather than in favor of.

I should probably read that last part to see if it makes sense, but its very late, and I dont thnk my brain would process LOL

anyway, many thanks for your time and patience. I will definitely be rereading your posts in the future.

G-d bless!

50 posted on 12/08/2005 9:57:26 PM PST by Alkhin (He thinks I need keeping in order - Peregrin Took, FOTR)
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First off slavery existed in the Bible, as did religious wars justified by G-d. Islam is far from the only religion where violence can be found within its scriptures is far from the first to engage in religious crusades.

The "Ask the Imam" approval of slavery was from a year ago. Islam is the only current religion that endorses it. Name one -- ONE -- religious group larger than 1 million that endorses violence as a means toits end.

As for the treatment of women, you are right..

Yes, I am. But really, that isn't the crux of my stance anyway.

As for much of what is written about Islam on those websites in terms of violence and holy war, it is complete nonsense.

Really? Then why is virtually every major conflict in the world Islam-driven? In one of the links I supplied is the number of Islamic attacks

If Islam really did preach death to all those who didn't agree with it and this worldwide jihad it would not be the worldest fastest growing religion.

Logical fallacy on multiple levels: Begging the Question and Non Sequiter. I can make a stronger argument that it is growing because of Jihad. The entire Islamic world is poverty-striken. You cannot name a single major manufacturer of anything in that world. They use poverty as a stick then use Islam as a carrot to bring the ignorant to their cause.

I hate to say it to you but ignorant rants about islam will do nothing to solve your problems or the problem of Islamic jihadists.

Closing your eyes to the real enemy will merely result in our death. If we dealt with the Japanese and Germans in WWII, we would be speaking Japanense in the West and Germans in the East.

Admiral Halsey basically said the only ay to win the war in the pacific is to make sure all adherents of the religion of the Emperor (shinto?) practice their faith in Hell. We must do the same if we are to win.

52 posted on 12/09/2005 11:51:34 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Vote Democrat--it's Easier than Getting a Job.)
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Update: This show has taken a predictable turn toward Islamist propaganda.


54 posted on 12/20/2005 1:26:20 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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This show is now available for download on itunes.


55 posted on 02/10/2006 3:47:05 PM PST by papertyger
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Thought you might be interested that the first season is available via iTunes now.


56 posted on 02/10/2006 4:42:23 PM PST by papertyger
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To: iraqikurd
Mr. Swank is half of the problem. What in his puny mind makes him think that Islam is a nihilistic cult? Taking verses of the Quran out of context does not do anything to remedy the Islamic fundmentalists terrorism.

Would you cite an example, please?

57 posted on 02/10/2006 4:50:20 PM PST by papertyger
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To: D.P.Roberts

I just rented "Sleeper Cell" it is now in video stores.


58 posted on 04/17/2006 4:45:08 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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