Posted on 12/07/2005 12:25:06 AM PST by FairOpinion
A ban on cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of foreign terrorism suspects is likely to be included mostly, if not entirely, in a final defense bill, a key House Republican said Tuesday.
Rep. Duncan Hunter of California, who is leading negotiations to iron out differences between the House and Senate versions of the measure, said if the ban or another provision limiting interrogation techniques U.S. troops can use are changed, they won't be drastically watered down.
The White House opposes the provisions and has threatened to veto any bill containing them. But President Bush's national security adviser, Stephen Hadley, has been negotiating with the chief sponsor, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., to find a compromise that would satisfy Bush administration's concerns.
McCain has said he won't back down from his demands that his provisions be kept intact. He has threatened to attach them to every bill the Senate passes until they become law.
The Senate, unlike the House, also included McCain's detainee provisions in its version of a separate bill that provides money for the military. But other lawmakers are in charge of completing that must-pass bill, and the detainee provisions are expected to be the last issues resolved.
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McCain is still just one person.
But how do you explain the insanity of the other 89 Senators and a majority of House Reps?
Ahhh, there is our out ...these scum are not human. I have always said, Take No Prisoners!
McCain is a one man rino wrecking crew.
He has done more damage to conservative causes than anyone. Between this and campaign finance reform just in the last few years.
McCain is such an idiot. He thinks the terrorists wouldn't behead people if we acted with kid gloves to them. He is so lost. He was so worried about the secret prisons offending our european friends.
The media played up abu grahib for a reason. Since that took place the u.s is no longer exempt by the un under the international criminal court. And now this crazy mccain law which will not allow us to get any information from terrorists.
Damn that traitor that turned them in and turned it into a media circus. A bunch of military police acting wild and the media made it into the biggest scandal ever.
Granted, and I agree. But W has never, to my knowledge, ever vetoed a bill. And in my opinion, he appears weak in dealing with Congress. That is just my opinion. If I were he, I'd have fuelled up the veto pen dozens of times; if for no other reason, than to "stick it" to the tax and spenders on the Hill.
Throw in McPain's leadership in the Gang of 14 which kept us from getting luttig and owen.
McCain has done more damage than any rat ever could.
Throw in McCain putting Abromoff in the spotlight to hurt the gop even more for 06 which McCain thinks will help him.
McCain also kept Bush's second round of tax cuts much less than Bush wanted. McCain is also so annoying. For instance he went on a crusade to ban sports betting.
And McCain wants to run for president. Their should be mass protests wherever he goes on his presidential run to let him know how he has no idea how he has backstabbed us.
Next McCain crusade will be the Kennedy/McCain illegal bill.
Is their any conservative idea McCain won't gut before his sorry ass is out of govt. Too bad McCain wasn't up for re-election in 2000 when he ran so he would then have had to retire when he didn't win the gop primary.
With friends like McCain, who needs any enemies?
"how he has no idea how he has backstabbed us. "
Actually I think he knows it full well and is doing it deliberately.
McCain is the one that created this bill. As Chuck Schumer said McCain did it on his own. I don't expect the other senators to have any spine. But McCain is the perpetrator in this. Without him their this would never have been brought up. The second culprit is John Warner. If we had a real conservative as the chaif of the armed services committee he would have stomped on McCain.
Warner's tenure as chairman of the armed services committee ends in 06 then McPain becomes the chair.
Bingo! We are in full agreement. I totally concure with you and have conveyed similar sentiments for over a year. I've been flamed, ripped, and ... nineteend ways from Heaven for my remarks. However, many in this country will not wake up until there is another 9-11. And when it does occur, President Bush will be blamed by the usual crowd.
They are spineless, gutless cowards, hell bent on destroying this country and turning it over to the unelected selected elitist communists in the UN.
Heaven forbid the troops fighting for this country use bullets.
Idiots all. Bush had better veto this.
"To succeed in the future, the Republican Party must get back to basics. We need, in effect, another Republican takeover of Congress, reaffirming a commitment to less government, lower taxes and more freedom. As in 1994, this revolution will be driven by the Young Turks of the party--the brave backbenchers more inspired by Reagan than the possibility of a glowing editorial on the pages of the New York Times. Indeed, this is already happening."
Great article, thanks for posting it.
WHAT? No torture in the Senate?
McCain is the only one who can win against Hillary. If you vote for someone other than McCain in the primaries, then you are voting for Hillary.
This will be followed during the general election by:
If you don't vote for McCain then you must be a Hillary supporter.
Does that mean they'll ban 6-hour speeches on the Senate floor?
"This is standard stuff for FBI agents during interrogations, it was developed by the CIA during the Cold War."
NLP was developed by Grinder and Bandler. One wa a mathematician and the other a linguist. It is great stuff. I use it with my clientele. Better than a polygraph because you cannot train your eyes to fool your brain.
Now, if I can see this, why can't the pussies in congress see it? I think because they are the dumbest a-holes in the country right now other than the people who voted for them.
It does not shock me at all that Murtha and McCain are allies here.....they both work hard to undermine the war effort. McCain needs to be careful that he doesnt become identified too closley with Murtha/Sheehan/Dean. Thats where he is heading.
I hope the President will stick to his threat to veto, but reality is that he will fold like a cheap cardboard box in a rain storm.
I'm seeing very little reason to keep them around at this point. The WOT was their distinction from the Democrats, that distinction is blurred now.
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