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GOP Establishment Rallying Around RINO Senator Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)
The Boston Globe ^ | December 5, 2005 | Rick Klein

Posted on 12/06/2005 5:19:59 PM PST by Clintonfatigued

But with the Republican Party's hold on the Senate looking tenuous, the party of Wall Street and the religious right is suddenly chummy with its most prominent environmentalist. With a tough race looming, and a solid conservative challenging Chafee in the primary, Republican elites are sending checks to Rhode Island -- to help Chafee.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Rhode Island
KEYWORDS: 109th; 2006; actuallyademocrat; chafee; gopprimary; laffey; leftwinggoper; mediafavorite; msmrepublican; rino; rinos
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

Excellent point.

My worry is (aside from all the issues discussed here about loss of liberty and our slow-motion slide into a European form of socialism) who will prosecute this war after Bush losses the next election? :)


181 posted on 12/08/2005 10:59:31 AM PST by aligncare (Wasted my time...got my Journalism degree)
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To: Badray
I guess I am either not communicating well or I wasting my time. I was trying to say that each time a third party is tried, ala Perot, the left wins. I was also saying that the parties are split more demographically and geographically that philosophically. Republican does not necessarily mean conservative but the Republican party is our best chance and losing to the Democrats is not an option. If that doesn't mean anything then I am not capable of continuing the discussion.
182 posted on 12/08/2005 11:17:01 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: aligncare

The war will come to us.

In the long run, that will be the best thing.

I don't believe anyone presently in the spotlight of power will emerge as the leader in the next phase of this war. Oh, some tired old plowhorse will be elected, but they won't be what is needed.

Most or all in office at present in either party will have to go before the tide will turn again in our favor.

Speculation of course, I don't claim to be psychic, although I have been called psycho. :)


183 posted on 12/08/2005 11:25:58 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com ( Tranzis won't let you vote but they will let you pay.)
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To: Badray
Actually, I share your outrage at the traitorous comments from dem politicians while our troops are engaged in deadly conflict.

But, short of armed insurgency against the dems here at home, we unfortunately have to work with them.

You sound like the Dems that think that we can be nice to the terrorists and they will be nice in return.

C'mon, the difference is these are Americans we are discussing here, not foreign nationals.

There are no provisions, that I know of in the U.S. constitution, which would allow one half of the population to take the other half out and hang them for supporting treasonous politicians. We should shame them, cajole them, beat them up in public verbally, beat them at the polls...but work with them we must. No choice, that I can see.

Anyone have a better solution (not just hot-headed rhetoric)?

God help us, I do understand your righteous indignation.

184 posted on 12/08/2005 11:47:26 AM PST by aligncare (Wasted my time...got my Journalism degree)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot; Badray

It is hard to escape the conclusion, though, that the pubbies are nothing more than the other side of the same democrat coin. This is a dilemma for voters looking for a principled, constitutional politician.

Did I just state an oxymoron?


185 posted on 12/08/2005 12:20:11 PM PST by aligncare (Wasted my time...got my Journalism degree)
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To: aligncare

Politics has become a profession, even a game, rather than a public service opportunity. As such, it has become a popularity contest rather than a leadership responsibility.

Polls are conducted to determine what most people want to hear and then consultants are hired to advise politicians on what to say and how to say it.

The job of politician has become so lucretive and comfortable that the politicains have stretched it into a fulltime job in D.C., rather than a part time job with more time spent at home among constituients than in D.C. Travel from home to Washington and back used to be arduous but now it is first class travel and private jets. There is no sacrifice to public service anymore, becoming instead a cushy lifestyle.

The opinions and the attitudes of the people at home are key to a politicians success. Therefore, he has to act the way they want most of the time. As a result, no longer are politicians strong leaders with a vision, having become instead smiling gladhanders with their fingers in the wind.

Because of this transformation in politicians, the two parties seem quite similar. Of course, this is a generalization and does not describe most politicians but it does describe the mean.

However, the battle between good and evil is real and that is the battle between Democrats and conservatives. The Republican Party is the best avenue for us conservatives at the moment. We should let the Republicans know our desires because they are still the only horse to ride.


186 posted on 12/08/2005 1:23:14 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
...The job of politician has become so lucretive and comfortable that the politicains have stretched it into a fulltime job in D.C.,...

...There is no sacrifice to public service anymore, becoming instead a cushy lifestyle...

It's hard to argue against these two points.

Many of the points made by Badray, Libertyman and the gillman (who needs a shorter name) about a third party also make good sense.

It's just so difficult as I stand in the voting booth, to pull the lever for someone who I know doesn't stand a chance to win.

187 posted on 12/08/2005 2:17:35 PM PST by aligncare (Wasted my time...got my Journalism degree)
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To: Badray; libertyman; the gillman@blacklagoon.com

I meant to ping you all on this post because I mentioned your names to Mind-numbed.


188 posted on 12/08/2005 2:41:06 PM PST by aligncare (Wasted my time...got my Journalism degree)
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To: aligncare
I'm sorry to hear that you would support Joe Lieberman for President--not due to his being a Dim (which is bad), but due to his being a member of the globalist Council on Foreign Relations (along w/ Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton [& Hillary, too????], Newt Gingrich, Dianne Feinstein, GHW Bush, John Kerry, Dan Quayle, Dick Gephart, John McCain, Joe Biden, Condolezza Rice, & on & on & on)....which is EVEN WORSE.
189 posted on 12/08/2005 2:41:23 PM PST by libertyman (It's HIGH time to make marijuana legal AGAIN!)
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To: aligncare
It's just so difficult as I stand in the voting booth, to pull the lever for someone who I know doesn't stand a chance to win.

I know the feeling. I do vote for a long shot occassionally in a primary but in the general election, if I am not strong on either, I go with the lessor of the evils. If you can't do that you may make a stronger statement by staying home as a protest.

190 posted on 12/08/2005 3:15:17 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
But voting for the lesser of 2 evils is still giving support to one who is evil...& staying home from the election empowers your political enemies more than it makes any kind of statement.

Don't vote for evil....PERIOD. Vote 3rd Party should there be any 3rd Party candidates on the Right.

My fellow FReepers here may say that I'm empowering America's enemies by my voting for the Constitution/Libertarian or other parties, & to a small degree they have a point--but only 'cuz folks won't stand up for principle & support them in large numbers.

We either need to get the GOP back on the RIGHT track (which is doubtful due to its big-government/ globalist Establishment) or start voting ELSEWHERE. I gave up on the GOP long ago.

191 posted on 12/08/2005 3:38:06 PM PST by libertyman (It's HIGH time to make marijuana legal AGAIN!)
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To: libertyman
Look, I didn't express strong support. My concern is who will prosecute the war on terror in the next administration, the way wars ought to be fought: All out - crush, destroy, obliterate the enemy. I don't want my kids having to talk about the "50-years-war" or some such thing.

Lieberman (CFR aside), has said that a vigorous reponse is necessary to push the Islamofascists back on their heels. As have other dems; Ed Koch, for example.

I despise the socialist democrat party. But, anyone, whatever their party affiliation, who demonstrates strength and courage in fighting this struggle, in the face of criticism, has my support.

192 posted on 12/08/2005 3:50:30 PM PST by aligncare (Wasted my time...got my Journalism degree)
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To: aligncare; Mind-numbed Robot

...However, the battle between good and evil is real...

I agree totally up to that point.

I think the clock has ticked several tocks beyond the point where the supporting of one corruption over another is feasible.

There will be no reconciliation. No coming together.
The fissures within our society will continue to expand, and to multiply.

It's like the buildup of a static charge. The longer it grows the stronger and more damaging the final shock.


193 posted on 12/08/2005 3:52:57 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com ( There will be no reconciliation. No coming together.)
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To: linn37

His primary opponent is Cranston Mayor Stephen Laffey.


194 posted on 12/08/2005 4:00:55 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Sam Alito Deserves To Be Confirmed)
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To: libertyman; aligncare
But voting for the lesser of 2 evils is still giving support to one who is evil...& staying home from the election empowers your political enemies more than it makes any kind of statement.

Since no candidate is perfect we are always voting for the lessor of the evils. However, if you like, we will make it a positive statement. Vote for the best of the two, Republican or Democrat.

Realistically, we are never voting for perfect against OK. In the present climate we are voting for less than perfect versus the end of our republic. This is not patty cake.

195 posted on 12/08/2005 6:34:04 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com; Mind-numbed Robot
Gill(you don't mind if I call you Gill),

Agreed, there are deep fissures within our society - yes, among those that are politically engaged. Not so sure about the blissfully stupid among us.

My friend, you have an affliction: you care. As long as there are millions of politically apathetic Americans among the electorate...I fear we're in for more of the same, for years to come.

196 posted on 12/08/2005 7:31:21 PM PST by aligncare (Wasted my time...got my Journalism degree)
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To: aligncare

Not that many years as you think.


197 posted on 12/08/2005 7:45:52 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud, hatch out!)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Republican elites are sending checks to Rhode Island -- to help Chafee.

This kind of phony "party" loyalty is why even after a potential 70-30 GOP advantage in the Senate, 70 "Republicans" won't ever really help the conservative cause.

198 posted on 12/08/2005 7:50:53 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Mind-numbed Robot; libertyman
...Vote for the best of the two, Republican or Democrat.

That makes no sense to me, for some reason. You may vote for the man (tic, tic, tic...the pc among you, may now get over it), but you also get the party.

199 posted on 12/08/2005 7:58:06 PM PST by aligncare (Wasted my time...got my Journalism degree)
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To: aligncare

Not necessarily. Reagan served with a Democrat Congress as did GHW Bush. Clinton had a Republican House in his second term. W has had a very thin majority. Discussions and faint hearts like this one could make it even thinner.


200 posted on 12/08/2005 8:24:35 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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