Posted on 12/05/2005 11:01:49 AM PST by lizol
The rally in Kiev calls to establish a Union of the Orthodox Nations of Russia, Ukraine and Byelorussia
Moscow, December 1, Interfax - The Union of Orthodox Citizens in Ukraine and the Progressive Socialist Party are holding on Thursday in Kiev a rally against Ukraine’s joining NATO and ‘for the rebirth of the Union of the Orthodox Nations of Russia, Ukraine and Byelorussia’.
The rally, which has gathered together over 20 thousand people by the organizer’s estimation, has been planned to coincide with the EU-Ukraine Summit to take place today, the organizers have reported to Interfax from Kiev by telephone.
‘The entry into NATO is a threat to our very faith. It is Ukraine’s final turning into an enemy of the Orthodox nations of Russia, Byelorussia, Serbia. The Galician nationalists, the Nazis, are needed to suppress by force the greater part of Ukraine which does not wish to enter NATO’, Valeriy Kaurov, chairman of the Union of Orthodox Citizen in Ukraine, stated in his speech.
Alexey Dobychin, chairman of the Breakthrough movement in the Crimea, stated in his turn that instead of entering into NATO it is necessary to establish a Union of Orthodox Nations of Russia, Ukraine and Byelorussia, which should become a subject of world politics.
Still sore that they lost the election. Add in a little push from Russia and we have the makings of quite a mess.
The Orthodox Church in Russia is not only a religion, it is also a political organization, closely associated with the ruling powers. That has long been true, under the Tsars, under Stalin, and under Putin.
I would imagine that Putin gave the orders to hold this rally.
For the most part the Roman Catholic Church struggled against this position, in the long war between the Popes and the Holy Roman Emperors, although there have been times when the Church was essentially a national church in particular countries, such as Norman England and Bourbon France.
Here comes UNSOX. So much for the revolution. What color was this one...orange?
I'm not fully understanding this whole mess.
This story is a bit behind. I suspect it was the predictable play by Putin before the gas deal and agreement on Transdnestria were concluded, to squeeze Yushchenko's nads a bit. It also keeps the pro-Russians in Ukraine on the hook, fires a shot across Kiev's bow re. the pipeline issue and the Warsaw Pact archives, etc.
That was Ziggy Brzezinski, russophobe and hater of we, the Orthodox. But a good friend of JP2, coincidentally, as they traveled together to Ukraine on the eve of the first approach to joining NATO.
We have a lady in our church who is a recent immigrant from the Ukraine. Her family has been there for generations, and they consider themselves to be Russian Orthodox. She thinks that all of this "independent Ukrainian Orthodox Church" is pretty silly, and politically motivated.
Your post is so hateful and sad. Orthodox Christianity's prejudice agenda exposed. No wonder JPII was so much feared by your authorities that he wasn't even allowed to visit Russia... Fear not. Jesus loves you too.
Are you denying that Ziggy said what he did, and denying that he and JPII were tight?
Marmema's point, if I'm understanding it right, is that there is more than a little evidence that there is hatred for the Orthodox Church that is independent of any justifiable hatred of the Soviet Union's political system.
I fail to see how her statement could be viewed as hateful -- unless the facts she is asserting are not true.
Suggesting some kind of conspiracy against the Orthodox Church in Ukraine that included JPII and Brzezinski just exposes acute Orthodox paranoia. Whose else's fault? Oh yeah - Reagan's. It's just pathethic and sad. I understand and respect deep-rooted Russian tradition where Orthodox Church and the state are one, but I'm sorry for you if you fail (or rather consciously deny) to see the obvious. But again - nothing new to me.
All I asked you was whether Brzezinski did say that he viewed the Orthodox Church as an enemy. If he didn't, then that statement needs to be corrected.
If he did, that is a fairly clear indication of irrational hatred of our religion on his part, hate that JPII associated himself with.
In short, you didn't answer my question.
Ivan Rudnitsky, executive director of the organizing committee for planning the pope's visit to Lvov, reported that up to 200 honored guests will come to the city. Among others, an invitation was sent to Zbigniew Brzezinski, an American political scientist who is an honorary citizen of Lvov.
Brzezinski, an American of Polish descent, was born in 1928. He occupied the office of national security advisor to American President Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981. At the present time he is a consultant with the Center for Strategic and International Studies and a professor of American foreign policy in the School of Modern International Studies in Johns Hopkins University in Washington, DC. His disciple, Madeline Albright, is the current (sic) American secretary of state.
He is the author of the books "Out of Control," "The Grand Failure," "Game Plan," "Power and Principle," and "The Great Chess Board." On Brzezinski's initiative the USA supplied the Afghan Mujahadin the most modern weapons, financed by billionaire Usama ben Laden.
Brzezinski is the author of the doctrine according to which Ukraine, in contrast to Russia, is viewed as a part of western civilization. In Brzezinski's doctrine Ukraine is assigned the role of buffer between East and West. In this regard, according to Brzezinski's view, Ukraine should be taken under the patronage of the West and after 2010 there should begin a process of drawing Ukraine into the European and Euro-Atlantic structures. As strana.ru analysts have noted, the "Brzezinski plan" entails in particular the formation of a permanent guided conflict between Russia and Ukraine. In connection with this the creation of a religious conflict between Russian and Ukraine and the conduct of actions directed against the Ukrainian Orthodox church of the Moscow patriarchate are integral parts of this plan. Brzezinski is known as a russophobe and hater of the Orthodox church.
The pope's visit plays no small role in the "Brzezinski plan." After the part of the "Brzezinski plan" that included the smooth transfer of power from President Kuchma to ex- premier Yushchenko failed, the pope's visit became especially important for Brzezinski's group. Most likely, Brzezinski will accept this invitation and will come to Ukraine in order to join personally in the implementation of his plan.
We recall that the final dates for the visit to Ukraine by Pope John Paul II were set for 23-27 June of this year. Several representatives of the leadership of Ukraine showed special interest in the pope's arrival. Now former vice premier Nikolai Zhulinsky has noted that "the pope's visit is intended to achieve mutual understanding and reconciliation and a consciousness of the need for a revival of relations between the Orthodox church and the Roman Catholic church." However, with which Orthodox church will the Roman pope establish relations? The letter from members of the Holy Synod of the Ukrainian Orthodox church says that "not a single one of the clergy of our church will take part in the schedule of the visit." Some representatives of the power structures of Ukraine understand "Orthodox church" to mean the schismatic groups of Filaret Denisenko (UPTsKP) and the autocephalists (UAPTs).
Recently this false patriarch organized around himself a group of politically bankrupt activists from the so-called national democratic camp, who constantly make a big fuss over the bugbear of the "Moscow threat" and who have agreed to use any means to achieve their goals. One such activist is Igor Yukhnovsky who expressed his opinion that in 2001 "a united local church will be achieved in Ukraine. . . In the long view I also see the unification of the Orthodox church with the Greek Catholic church."
The pope's visit to Ukraine cannot be seen as anything other than a provocation and interference in the internal affairs of the Orthodox church with the goal of driving canonical Orthodoxy out of Ukraine. The pope is trying to use his authority to support pro-Catholic and nationalistic forces of Ukraine in their struggle to draw Ukraine finally into the orbit of the influence of the West. The pope's visit is supposed to facilitate as well the achievement of Uniatism--Greek Catholicism--which so far is located only in western Ukraine. The pope's visit naturally lies within the course of the policy that has been conducted by the Vatican for centuries--the expansion of Catholicism to the East. But despite all that, Ukraine has remained in its majority Orthodox. Nevertheless, several representatives of the power structures obviously are prepared to betray Ukraine to the Vatican if only it can be removed "further from Moscow."
Ivan Rudnitsky also reported that the largest foreign delegations are expected from Poland, around 200,000, and from Lithuania, around 10,000. Nearly fifty official persons will arrive in Lvov on invitation from the head of the city. In addition, official delegations and honored guests will arrive on invitation of the chairman of the provincial administration and hierarchs of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic and Roman Catholic churches.
Among honored guests will be the mayors of fraternal and partner cities, municipal heads of provincial centers of western Ukraine, and honorary citizens of Lvov. An invitation was sent especially to the head of the "Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists," Slava Stetsko.
The pope's visit, in the intentions of its public and hidden organizers, is supposed to turn into a demonstration of the efforts of all anti-Orthodox, pro-western, and anti-Russian forces in Ukraine who are striving to sever the ages-old ties of Ukraine with Russia and the fraternal relations of the two Orthodox nations by means of the destruction of canonical Orthodoxy in Ukraine, which they call "Muscovite." (tr. by PDS, posted 3 May 2001)
This isn't the link I recalled, but it is one of quite a few references that can be found on the net...
Father Nikolai, a secretary of the Belarusian exarchate, goes one step further, suggesting that the autocephalous church is an agent of western powers, seeking to drive a schism through Russian Orthodoxy. He cites former US cold-war policy adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who apparently named the Orthodox church as the West's principal enemy in the early 1990s.
Neither of those are the place I remembered reading it originally, but it was some time ago.
Nice guy - him and his flunky halfbright are out to rule the world with their hatred. Maybe you should look more closely at whom you accuse of hatred. I don't have any problem calling evil what it is, and Ziggy is a specialist in it.
A socialist party is involved in this.... Would not count out KPRF or NBP's hand in this either, as unlike their predicessors, they are pro-Orthodox.
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