Posted on 12/05/2005 1:11:22 AM PST by Arjun
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I actually hope Britain does withdraw. Yes they are allies. But we do not need our STEALTH technology getting into anyone else's hands.
The JSF and similar aircraft are the last war's technology.
They are unneeded. The F-22, B1, B2, F-117, F-15, A-10, and F-18's can handle all near-term threats...and in the longer term, a fighter will either have to be unmanned or sub-orbital.
Thus, the JSF program should be killed off.
I think the Air Force should give their A-10s to the Marines.
Had a Drill Instructor on Parris Island in 1989, an Air Winger, who said about Warthogs, 'You take a big gun, and you build an airplane around it...'
What I want to know is, who costs military aircraft projects? They can’t be very good at it because I can’t remember the last time one was completed within budget.
Agreed.
hey the F4U corsair was way overbudget...i think somewhere around 60,000 dollars as opposed to 55,000 for a Hellcat. that was alot of bread in 1944
The following are the nations participating in the JSF project.
Level 1: Britain. Contributed around 2 bil.
Level 2: Italy and the Netherlands. Contributed 1 bil and 800m respectively.
Level 3: Turkey ($175m), Australia ($144m), Norway ($122m), Denmark ($110m), and Canada ($100m).
Security Cooperative Participants: Israel and Singapore.
I hope we don't pull out, as the Eurofighter is gay.
The F-22 is better at air dominance by far over the F35,and the US only wants the Naval and marine vtol version of it(F35). That is one of the problems. Also, the US wont sell the F-22 to anyone, and it really doesnt trust France's getting their hands on the JSF tech(they would whore it out to anyone). Which we know that would happen since the EU is really just one bloc now. Doesnt worry me at all. Thats the great thing about a nation building its own fighters and navy we are self reliant. I love the brits but they're a strong anti-american movment in the EU. The EU and even Jack Straw in the UK was pushing for the dropping of the arms embargo of the communist chinese. Most of the EU's military tech is shared from the US, and this set off warning lights in Washington. Our top tech can not be shared with the chinese.
More than a few problems with your logic.
1. The JSF is navalized, the F-22 and F-117 aren't.
2. JSF is much less expensive than the F-22. It is to the F-22, what the F-16 was to the F-15.
3. It should be superior to the F-18 in most every way.
4. STOL/VTOL capability coupled with JSF capabilities makes each of our 12 amphibs a more capable CVA than any other country's aircraft carriers. Your plan reverts these ships to helicopter only platforms.
5. Its development is going far better than the F-22's.
JSF won't get cancelled, but the F-22 might see a very short production run.
You neatly side stepped the entire issue, which is that of very high level technology transfer to the EU member nations.
Even though I highly value Britian's close relationship with the US, that technology would find its way to every nation in the world in a short amount of time.
Apples and oranges. The F-15 is better at air dominance than the F-16, so what? That's not why the F-16 was purchased. Same goes for the JSF. It is to replace the F-16 (USAF certainly does plan on purchasing it) not the F-15. The JSF was and is to be a replacement for the F-16, F-18, and AV-8B. The fact that it is much better at air superiority than them, doesn't mean that is its primary purpose.
Curiously, this same debate raged about buying the F-16 instead of buying more F-15s.
Whole heartedly agree. MAnned fighter planes are a waste of money. Strictly for AF Generals in Pentagon reliving wars of long ago.
I would say the same thing about the F 14.
And we wouldn't be reverting anything except plans.
We don't need the JSF at the expense of our technology.
Agree, not even Israel that sold UAVs to China and penetrated our intelligence on Iran. F-35 should be for US only. Sales to certain allies are tolerable even it is concern of leaks of technology, but it is very irritating when it comes to sales to anti-American countries, especially the Islamofascist Turkey that are violating human rights and still denying the Armenian Genocide, genocide against our Christian brothers. We could always provide F/A-18E/F Block III for allies that want stealthiness, but something not as much as the F/A-22 and F-35, letting US to maintain its advantage in stealth technology.
Speaking of Israel, they just got a pali bomber attack.
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