Mexico envoy's visit draws demonstration

San Diego Union-Tribune / AP ^ | December 2, 2005 | Paul Foy

[DumpsterDiver]

SALT LAKE CITY – Mexico's ambassador to the United States pressed for a political solution for the U.S. immigration problem in a visit Friday with Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman.

The diplomat, Carlos de Icaza, endorsed a guest worker program for his countrymen and a fair resolution for the millions of undocumented workers already in the United States.

"Building walls and fences is not the way to solve problems among neighbors," said de Icaza, whose two-day visit ended with a demonstration by the Utah Minuteman Project outside the Utah Capitol.

The immigration opponents called for tougher border security and sanctions against U.S. employers who hire undocumented workers, and to de Icaza they evoked the "vigilante groups" adding enforcement to the U.S.-Mexico border.

"There is no place, managing immigration flows between neighbors, for people to pretend to take the law into their own hands," said de Icaza.

Huntsman, who supports a guest worker program, had no public comment after the meeting, but during it he told the envoy he supported stronger economic and cultural links and an education exchange between Mexico and Utah. Huntsman invited reporters and cameras into his ceremonial office at the outset.

The meeting was expected to pave the way for a visit to Utah by Mexico's president, Vicente Fox, sometime next year, de Icaza said. Huntsman visited Fox in July.

The ambassador emphasized the economic ties between Mexico and Utah, and said Mexico's economy was improving, though not enough to satisfy his countrymen, who are drawn to a U.S. economy that is 15 times larger and acts like "a big magnet," de Icaza said.

Utah exports $95 million worth of goods a year to Mexico, mostly minerals, ores and chemicals, while Mexico sells $382 million worth of goods to Utah, his advisers said.

Utah companies can take advantage of more opportunities for trade, especially those in the software and information technology sector, de Icaza said.

Outside on the Capitol plaza, a few dozen placard-waving demonstrators weren't impressed. They said foreigners who sneak into this country were breaking the law, and that de Icaza was avoiding the subject.

Jerry Owens, of Midway, Utah, said the United States needs to build a fence along the Mexican border.

"My children are going to be competing with illegal aliens for jobs," said Eli Cawley of Salt Lake City.

[DumpsterDiver]

Carlos de Icaza doesn't want a fence, he doesn't like the Minutemen and because our economy is better than theirs, it's our fault Mexicans come here. What to do, what to do?

[Regulator]

Hard to believe that in this day and age, we have the ambassador of a failed Third World hellhole running around our country telling us who should live among us.

Someone should tell him the Spanish version of "butt out, bub".

[cripplecreek]

"There is no place, managing immigration flows between neighbors, for people to pretend to take the law into their own hands,"

Who the hell does this guy think he is dictating law to us? These idiots seem to be deliberately pushing buttons and showing just how arrogant they are. I realize that they commonly tell their own citizens to STFU and take it but Americans won't stand for this crap for long.

[Egon]

"Building walls and fences is not the way to solve problems among neighbors..."

Uh, yeah. It often is. Especially when your neighbors insist on trespassing.

[DumpsterDiver]

ping

[dennisw]

"Building walls and fences is not the way to solve problems among neighbors," said de Icaza, whose two-day visit ended with a demonstration by the Utah Minuteman Project outside the Utah Capitol.  "There is no place, managing immigration flows between neighbors, for people to pretend to take the law into their own hands," said de Icaza.

Mexico isn't our neighbor. They are our enemy

[cripplecreek]

Especially when your neighbors insist on trespassing.

And laugh at us as they do it. I can see this getting really nasty and can't figure out why our government apparently wants it to get nasty.

[DTogo]

Remember the Alamo!!

[starbase]

This article is almost a perfect example of the propaganda technique we identified as #12 A One One Punch, wherein one side gets several great lines and the other side gets a lame line.

de Icaza's great lines:

1. "Building walls and fences is not the way to solve problems among neighbors," said de Icaza,"

2. "There is no place, managing immigration flows between neighbors, for people to pretend to take the law into their own hands," said de Icaza.

3. The ambassador emphasized the economic ties between Mexico and Utah, and said Mexico's economy was improving, though not enough to satisfy his countrymen, who are drawn to a U.S. economy that is 15 times larger and acts like "a big magnet," de Icaza said.

4. Utah companies can take advantage of more opportunities for trade, especially those in the software and information technology sector, de Icaza said.

The opposition's lame lines spoken by just a regular citizens:

1. Jerry Owens, of Midway, Utah, said the United States needs to build a fence along the Mexican border.
"My children are going to be competing with illegal aliens for jobs," said Eli Cawley of Salt Lake City.

Notice that he doesn't state "I don't want my children to compete with illegal aliens", or something stronger "I will not tolerate my children having to compete with illegals!!". No, he only meekly states that it will happen.

Other than that there are no more quotations in the story. Please go to our propaganda list by clicking "starbase" below and look at #12. You will be amazed at how this article mirrors our preset definition, even though that definition was written about 5 years ago.

#16 is also related to this article. Please have a look. :-)

[Sonny M]

There is an old saying, which I believe in.

"Good fences make good neighbors".

That said, should Mexico be ashamed of itself over the fact that people would rather risk their lives to leave it to go to a country that doesn't want them there in the first place?

[DumpsterDiver]

Please have a look.

I recognize a lot of those techniques. One thing I look for is the writer's choice of adjectives. In one article Rep. Issa was referred to as "a millionaire Republican congressman". However, when it came to Senator Dianne Feinstein, no mention was made about her being a fithy rich Democrat politician.

[DumpsterDiver]

Remember the Alamo!!

I prefer thinking about the Battle of San Jacinto.

[starbase]

[One thing I look for is the writer's choice of adjectives]

Excellent point. After reading your post I reread the article and noticed at one point it says "a few dozen placard-waving demonstrators". Doesn't make them sound very important or numerous does it? Nothing like "Fire breathing furious patriots waving signs which shouted outrage!".

Will I ever read something like that in the MSM?

[ncountylee]

extremo hacia fuera, senor.

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[no-to-illegals]

perhaps the next time this guy comes calling we should just hand him a jar of vasaline and just bend over......

that would technically give him what he wants.

[Regulator]

Thanks!

[ForGod'sSake]

Excellent points starbase. Sometimes their technique is less subtle than at other times, eh?