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1 posted on 12/03/2005 9:06:49 AM PST by ncountylee
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Blah, blah, blah. Load the southern bound buses and build a wall.


2 posted on 12/03/2005 9:10:07 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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jobs that Americans are unwilling to fill.

Bush is taking a class in Mythology 101.
3 posted on 12/03/2005 9:11:31 AM PST by Mulch (tm)
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He is trying to appease social conservatives who take a hard line against illegal immigrants...

I don't need appeasing, I just want the laws already on the books enforced.
6 posted on 12/03/2005 9:14:14 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!!)
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W and his cronies just don't get it - we Americans REFUSE to allow a guest worker program. NO AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS. There are NO jobs Americans won't do.


7 posted on 12/03/2005 9:16:18 AM PST by wvobiwan (It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
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"I'll just call the new amnesty a guest worker program.

My peons are so stupid, they'll believe anything."


8 posted on 12/03/2005 9:16:38 AM PST by Travis McGee
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I hope they tell him "you first , Sir. Secure the borders and come back and we will talk".


9 posted on 12/03/2005 9:16:41 AM PST by CindyDawg (I always liked Bozo:'))
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A little late but at least he IS addressing the problem. Clinton and Carter made it a policy to bring in as many illegals as possible and immediately register them as Democrats. While Bush may be slow on the ball, he is at least acknowledging the problem . . .


10 posted on 12/03/2005 9:17:35 AM PST by onevoter
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Protect the American people with immigration law enforcement and secure borders. Follow this with deporting ALL illegal aliens to their country of origin.

Finally, end the welfare state.

11 posted on 12/03/2005 9:17:39 AM PST by afnamvet
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx


U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.

12 posted on 12/03/2005 9:17:39 AM PST by Travis McGee
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I read the article and I saw Bush talking about the hardening borders and shipping illegal entrants back, nothing from him about visas or citizenship. The title is misleading.
13 posted on 12/03/2005 9:17:53 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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Bush Bash of the day.
16 posted on 12/03/2005 9:21:04 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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If we do not send all illegals back does anyone in their right mind think they will return to Mexico after being here another six years?


17 posted on 12/03/2005 9:21:56 AM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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Bush is still pushing his "Harriet Miers Immigration" plan? We (conservatives) are going have to correct him on this, too.

The whole reason we have an illegal alien invasion in the first place is because the politicians knew the people wouldn't allow that many unskilled Mexicans to immigrate here legally. So, Bush's "Harriet Miers Amnesty" program is DOA.

22 posted on 12/03/2005 9:25:54 AM PST by Nephi (Illegal immigration is the flip side of the globalist free trade coin. Bush is being consistant.)
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Mr. President, your actions are speaking so loud, we can't hear your words...


29 posted on 12/03/2005 9:29:58 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Stop the Bleeding First!!)
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"Those who enter the country illegally break the law," Bush said"

....then the President said to himself... "yeah, they break the law, but what's more imporant, the law or cheap labor and the hispanic vote"?

34 posted on 12/03/2005 9:34:08 AM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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I'm long past tired getting lied to. Pull out the welcome mat and enforce the laws. Nothing else is acceptable.


37 posted on 12/03/2005 9:39:40 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: ncountylee; AZRepublican; flashbunny; Stellar Dendrite; kellynla; ARCADIA; DumpsterDiver; ...
Build it here, build it NOW!


39 posted on 12/03/2005 9:40:36 AM PST by DTogo (Merry CHRISTmas, and a healthy & happy New Year!)
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Bush's Guest Worker Plan/Amnesty has no end game. Give them visas then what? Surely he should learn from his experience in Iraq that you need a well thought out end to the plan. Ask them to leave in six years? How stupid an idea is that? Could they have come up with something worse?

Give a few million visas and millions more will come across illegally. Someone needs to study history.

I am beginning to believe there is something in the water in D.C. that makes politicians lose their common sense and testosterone at the same time.


59 posted on 12/03/2005 10:07:37 AM PST by rolling_stone (Question Authority!)
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Hopefully the House GOP will kill this duty-derilict President's deceitful assault on America.
70 posted on 12/03/2005 10:42:49 AM PST by dagnabbit (Vincente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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The masks drop on free republic and it is a welcome sight.

While there are a few freepers whose commitments genuinely DO spring primarily from a concern for law and sovereignty (you know who you are, I am not addressing you here, and you have my genuine respect), it is also true that the "main current" here who claim to be "not anti immigration, but anti ILLEGAL immigration" are simply sactimonious humbugs and liars. Their reactions here to this prove it. NOTHING is going to satisfy this bunch of xenophobes and crypto marxists except immediate deportation and border closure. "Then we can talk about a guest worker program, or expanding immigration quotas." Yeah, right.

Nevermind that US Bureau of Labor Statistics data on mean avg income in the US shows a steady upward trend for the last 15 years (actually longer, but it is tedious to download and extract the zip files, pull up the .xls files, sum the incomes and average them) That is right! We have over 10 million illegals living here and our unemployment rate is under 6 per cent and our wages are NOT declining, but these people still post the same false crap over and over about taking american jobs and the depressing nature of wage structure due to illegals.

Tne next lie is that "they are not assimilating" despite overwhelming evidence, documented here before that the rate of language acquisition, workforce integration, intermarriage outside their race/culture, and every other benchmark (except for university degrees. Latinos, especially Mexicans, tend to stay in blue collar jobs) reflects the same rate of assimilation as other immigrant groups of the past.

The next lie is "they don't pay taxes" despite studies showing that overwhelmingly that illegals work in service industry jobs where the alphabet taxes (SSI, FICA, MC, etc) are witheld, and that most illegals simply do not file for returns b/c they know the numbers are fake and are afraid. The IRS knows a good thing when it sees it and NEVER notifies ICE on this. Free money for the fed!

The next lie is that illegals have a higher crime rate than US citizens. IN fact, the rate of ILLEGAL HISPANICS (and lets face it the overwhelming majority of illegals here are hispanic) who commit crimes is less than 1/2 and closer to 1/3 of the percentage of US CITIZENS who commit crimes who are black. The true rates are lower than this, because crime stats don't tend to separate legal hispanics from illegal hispanice. Plus, this objection completely ignores the fact that every first generation of immigrants has higher crime rates than succeeding generations. This has been true with every group of immigrants.

Time to move on and wail about how the illegals crowd our domestic piggies from their rightful place at the federal and state slop troughs. I sometimes feel like the aliens in MARS ATTACKS! listening to Slim Whitman yodel. I wonder if my head will just explode if I hear anymore socialist drivel from supposed "conservative free market" persons whining about the illegals taking "our" benefits. I don't recall Pablo and Izabella voting from Oaxaca to institute California's nuthouse of socialist programs. WE did that. WE piggies who cant keep our grubby little hands out of our neighbor's back pockets are now whining because Enrique has found that pocket, too? Cry me a river.

If you (and I) are stupid enough to allow our elected officials to throw money in the streets, then don't bitch because some guy with brown skin and garlic breath bends over to pick it up. I personally applaud the "burden" on the socialist system, because the "burden" is going to hit sooner or later...., chain letters always fail and the sooner we go to an honest "pay as you go" system, the better. These type of complaints sound like someone griping cause the chain letter broke down before you could scam the downstream suckers.

You want to gripe about hospitals going broke? Look at Yazoo City MS (very few hispanics in YC, by the way, this mostly addressed blacks). The poor and indigent learned to use the hospital ER as their primary health care. Why? BECAUSE WE TRAINED THEM TO DO IT, Einstein! About a year ago, the county hospital sez to someone showing up at the hospital "is this a medical emergency?" "well, no, but my eye has this horrible ache, and " "Sorry, see your doctor. next?" "But I can't afford a doctor!" "then go to the health department. Next?" "But the health department is backed up" "yeah, so are we. And this is a place for LIFE THREATENING EMERGENCIES ONLY. We are required by law to check and see if your situation is a 'critical care emergency' if not, please move along. NEXT!" Arizona has instituted Prop 200. These kind of things are things you can do at the LOCAL level instead of expecting politicians to magically morph from whores who get power by spending your money to persons genuinely interested in wise use of public funds when it comes to the issue of immigration.

Tell ya what. I will put together a file for the immigraphobes, detailing the links to the studies on wages, assimilation, security threats on southern borders, taxpaying by illegals, crime stats on illegals, immigration percentages in the past, net "burden" by illegals, and the benefits of helping assimilate those here illegally vs deportation and closing the border. I will put this in tabular format and put the links in. Sound fair? We could call this the "SPECIAL TABLES FOR UNDERSTANDING" file, and when I see the lies I referenced above, I will just reference this file by its first letter acronym. I will promise to research my previous posts and pull the file together, if I can get a commitment from the immigraphobes not to post the same accusations again, if we agree that the data on the special file poste refutes it. Sound like a deal?

Warmly-- chronic loser (the tagline goes with the name)

72 posted on 12/03/2005 10:43:07 AM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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