Posted on 12/02/2005 3:55:17 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
You obviously write (believe) nonsense. So we knew all about what was going on in Iraq? So how come the WMD's did not turn up? Were they moved (quite likely), so how come we do not know where they were moved to?
You overestimate the ability of our "remote viewers". We still have to act on very cloudy information and judgment. For heaven's sake, we did not know that India and Pakistan had nuclear weapons before they let it be known. Lots of intelligence information pointed to Saddam running a nuclear weapons program - and many tons of yellow-cake were found in Iran, as well as suspicious enrichment technology. We certainly knew he had other storehouses of WMD - inventoried by the UN, and not disposed of by any documented or verified processes.
We could have won what we sought, now we could lose the entire Middle East.
What, by maintaining tyrannical dictatorships that were engaged in mass murder to keep their power - you are a wretched human being!
Go back to the Democratic Underground where you came from and belong. I'm sure everyone there will welcome your stupidity.
Daily Herald
Here’s what two Marines say
Christian Science Monitor
Posted Saturday, December 03, 2005
Should the U.S. stay the course in Iraq?
As opposition to the war mounts at home, Marines in Iraq say you’re not hearing how they’ve made a difference
What the soldiers say>
BROOK PARK, Ohio — Cpl. Stan Mayer has seen the worst of war. In the leaves of his photo album, there are casual memorials to the cost of the Iraq conflict — candid portraits of friends who never came home and graphic pictures of how insurgent bombs have shredded steel and bone.
Yet the Iraq of Mayer’s memory is not solely a place of death and loss. It is also a place of hope. It is the hope of the town of Hit, which he saw transform from an insurgent stronghold to a place where kids played on Marine trucks. It is the hope of villagers who whispered where roadside bombs were hidden. But most of all, it is the hope he saw in a young Iraqi girl who loved pens and Oreo cookies.
Like many soldiers and marines returning from Iraq, Mayer looks at the bleak portrayal of the war at home with perplexity, if not annoyance. It is a perception gap that has put the military and media at odds, as troops complain that the media care only about death tolls, while the media counter that their job is to look at the broader picture, not through the soda straw of troops’ individual experiences.
Telling lost stories
Yet as perceptions about Iraq have neared a tipping point in Congress, some soldiers and Marines worry that their own stories are being lost in the cacophony of terror and fear. They acknowledge that their experience is just that — one person’s experience in one corner of a war-torn country. Yet amid the terrible scenes of reckless hate and lives lost, many members of one of the hardest-hit units insist that they saw at least the spark of progress.
“We know we made a positive difference,” says Cpl. Jeff Schuller of the 3rd Battalion, 25th Marines, who spent all but one week of his eight-month tour with Mayer. “I can’t say at what level, but I know that where we were, we made it better than it was when we got there.”
It is the simplest measure of success, but for the Marine, soldier, or sailor, it may be the only measure of success. In a business where life and death rest on instinctive adherence to thoroughly ingrained lessons, accomplishment is ticked off in a list of orders followed and tasks completed. And by virtually any measure, America’s servicemen and women are accomplishing the day-to-day tasks set before them.
Yet for the most part, America is less interested in the success of Operation Iron Fist, for instance, than the course of the entire Iraq enterprise.
“What the national news media try to do is figure out: What’s the overall verdict?” says Brig. Gen. Volney Warner, deputy commandant of the Army Command and General Staff College. “Soldiers don’t do overall verdicts.”
Yet soldiers clearly feel that important elements are being left out of the media’s overall verdict. On this day, a group of Navy medics gathers around a table in the Cleveland-area headquarters of the 3/25, a Marine reserve unit that has converted a low-slung school of pale brick and linoleum tile into its spectacularly red-and-gold offices.
What press misses
Their conversation could be a road map of the kind of stories that military folks say the mainstream media are missing. One colleague made prosthetics for an Iraqi whose hand and foot had been cut off by insurgents. When other members of the unit were sweeping areas for bombs, the medics made a practice of holding impromptu infant clinics on the side of the road.
They remember one Iraqi man who could not hide his joy at the marvel of an electric razor. And at the end of the 3/25’s tour, a member of the Iraqi Army said: “Marines are not friends; Marines are brothers,” says Lt. Richard Malmstrom, the battalion’s chaplain.
“It comes down to the familiar debate about whether reporters are ignoring the good news,” says Peter Hart, an analyst at Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting, a usually left-leaning media watchdog in New York.
In Hit, where Marines stayed in force to keep the peace, the progress was obvious, say members of the 3/25. The residents started burning trash and fixing roads — a sign that the city was returning to a sense of normalcy. Several times, “people came up to us (and said): ‘There’s a bomb on the side of the road. Don’t go there,’ ” says Pfc. Andrew Howland.
Part of the reason that such stories usually aren’t told is simply the nature of the war. Kidnappings and unclear battle lines have made war correspondents’ jobs almost impossible. Travel around the country is dangerous, and some reporters never venture far from their hotels. “It has to have some effect on what we see. You end up with reporting that waits for the biggest explosion of the day,” says Hart.
To the Marines of the 3/25, the explosions clearly do not tell the whole story. Across America, many readers know the 3/25 only as the unit that lost 15 Marines in less than a week — nine of them in the deadliest roadside bombing against U.S. forces during the war. When the count of Americans killed in Iraq reached 2,000, this unit again found itself in the stage lights of national notice as one of the hardest hit.
But that is not the story they tell. It is more than just the dire tone of coverage — though that is part of it. It is that Iraq has touched some of these men in ways that even they have trouble explaining. This, after all, has not been a normal war. Mayer and Schuller went over not to conquer a country, but to help win its hearts and minds. In some cases, though, it won theirs.
Recess from war
Schuller, a heavyweight college wrestler with a thatch of blond hair and engine blocks for arms, cannot help smiling when he speaks of giving an old man a lighter: “He thought it was the coolest thing.” Yet both he and the blue-eyed, square-jawed Mayer pause for a moment before they talk about the two 9-year-old Iraqis whom members of their battalion dubbed their “girlfriends.”
The first time he saw them, Mayer admits that he was making the calculations of a man in the midst of a war. He was tired, he was battered, and he was back at a Hit street corner that he had patrolled many times before. In Iraq, repetition of any sort could be an invitation of the wrong sort — an event for which insurgents could plan. So Mayer and Schuller took out some of the candy they carried, thinking that if children were around, perhaps the terrorists wouldn’t attack.
It was a while before the children realized that these two Marines, laden with arms to the limit of physical endurance, were not going to hurt them. But among the children who eventually came, climbing on the pair’s truck and somersaulting in the street, there were always the same two girls. When they went back to base, they began to hoard Oreos and other candy in a box.
“They became our one little recess from the war,” says Mayer. “You’re seeing some pretty ridiculous tragedies way too frequently, and you start to get jaded. The kids on that street — I got to realize I was still a human being to them.”
It happened one day when he was on patrol. Out of nowhere, a car turned the corner and headed down the alley at full speed. “A car coming at you real fast and not stopping in Iraq is not what you want to see,” says Mayer. Yet instead of jumping in his truck, he stood in the middle of the street and pushed the kids behind him.
The car turned. Now, Mayer and Schuller can finish each other’s sentences when they think about the experience. “You really start to believe that you protect the innocent,” says Schuller. “It sounds like a stupid cliche....”
“But it’s not,” adds Mayer. “You are in the service of others.”
Adding to legacy
For Mayer, who joined the reserves because he wanted to do something bigger than himself, and for Schuller, a third-generation Marine, Iraq has given them a sense of achievement. Now when they look at the black-and-white pictures of Marines past in the battalion headquarters, “we’re adding to that legacy,” says Schuller.
This is what they wish to share with the American people — and is also the source of their frustration. Their eight months in Iraq changed their lives, and they believe it has changed the lives of the Iraqis they met as well. On the day he left, Mayer gave his “girlfriend” a bunch of pens — her favorite gift — wrapped in a paper that had a picture of the American flag, the Iraqi flag, and a smiley face. The man with the lighter asked Schuller if he was coming back. He will if called upon, he says.
Whether or not these notes of grace and kindness are as influential as the dirge of war is open to question. But many in the military feel that they should at least be a part of the conversation.
Says Warner of reaching an overall verdict: “I’m not sure that reporting on terrorist bombings with disproportionate ink is adequately answering that question.”
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