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[msnimje]

"It" had a name + "it" died = not a person.

[L98Fiero]

Sick. Born, lived two days but not a person. Just freakin' sick.

[Spok]

Two hundred years ago, a black man wasn't considered to be a person either. Liberal thinking has certainly brought us a long way...

[silverleaf]

And what gestation age was the nonperson when he was born and breathed for two days?

[ZGuy]

Possibly this is the kind of case that could trigger a review of Roe if it got to the SCOTUS?

[calrighty]

And I thought things were bad in the 60's when I grew up........Dear God in Heaven!

[WasDougsLamb]

all five of Hawaii’s Supreme Court Justices------NOT REAL PEOPLE EITHER

[tortoise]

Technically, this is correct. Prior to birth, the fetus is the chattel of the woman and not a "person" under the Common Law, so she would be damaging her chattel -- which is not a crime.

The complication is that she damaged the fetus as chattel, and that damage killed it later when it was a person. Since she never damaged a legal person, manslaughter is not an applicable charge; the baby came into personhood with a fatal condition, for legal purposes. This is one of those unavoidable edge cases that necessarily exist in any consistent application of law. We might not like the result, but the ruling of the Supreme Court seems correct to me.

[Apercu]

Treyson was a...goat...horse...dog...spider???The culture of death knows no bounds with it's legal gymnastics.Idiots!

[joesnuffy]

I can guarantee the people of Hawaii believe that child was
a living human being...

These justices are WAY out of the main stream and completely out of touch with those they are suppose to serve...

imo

[Gay State Conservative]

To date, no appeals court in the U.S. has ever upheld an manslaughter charge for a mother who caused the death of her child while pregnant.

And "Planned Parenthood" wouldn't have it any other way. They'll tolerate no court decision that threatens in any was those cash cows of theirs...aka:their abortion mills!

[ml/nj]

This week's Torah portion is Toledot which starts the description of the life of Jacob and Esau: Of thier mother, Rebekah, it says, "The children (habanim) struggled in her womb."

ML/NJ

[atomic_dog]

The time has definitely come for Hawaii to change its state motto: Ua mau ke ea o ka 'aina i ka pono ("The life of the land is perpetuated in righteousness").

How about "Ua mau ke ea o ka 'aina i ka pakalolo."

[antaresequity]

I guess the state that wants to succeed from the union isn't willing to stand on principal, but rather prostitute themselves to an agenda held by their perceived Allies in Washington.

My guess is that the native Hawaiians as a culture don't embrace the killing of the unborn.

Rather, they must feel a need to keep their umbilical intact to their DC political compatriots; the irony if so is sadistically appalling.

Whores?

[nicmarlo]

this is sickeningly gross!

[Dr. Scarpetta]

all five of Hawaii’s Supreme Court Justices agreed that the charge should be overturned because, they said, the child was not a “person”

Oh REALLY?? Was it a puppy?

[rfreedom4u]

Then why is it illegal to get an abortion after a certain date of being pregnant? It's a baby not a fetus.

[rzeznikj at stout]

It's clearly frustrating to see what happens when the "Stench from the Bench" determines public policy.

This ruling in HI is just as despicable as Roe and Griswold, which set up the so-called "right to privacy"--the only judicially-recognized absolute right that "exists" in the Constitiution solely by judicial fiat)

But while the "Right to Privacy" might be manifest in this ruling, it's a lot more like Dred Scott v. Sandford, in which SCOTUS, under the Taney Court, attempted to define human beings along racial lines, namely that African-Americans were property and not human beings. Then, look what happened--a few years later, the bloody Civil War broke out.

It's clear that Dred Scott was so controversial it literally led to civil anguish, which inturn bred civil war. And it was because the Court attempted to squarely define who was human.

That said, it is not to any organ of Government, nor to Society to define humanity, but to the Natural and Moral Laws given to us by God, who is the Author of Life.

[Brian Allen]

<< Tayshea Aiwohi could not be convicted of killing her unborn child, because at the time, it was not a person. >>

In Hawaii, a two day-old child is not a person?

In abjectly "Democrat" Hawaii, a judge has not a brain.

I guess every one is a member of the newly discovered ancient "native hawaian" tribe and is therefore not required to study United States Constitutional Law at law school?

And wouldn't know an American Declaration of Independence, Constitution or Bill of Rights if one of them bit him in the arse?