The ones working to spread acrimony between North American conservatives - perhaps on behalf of their Chi-Com masters - while plainly less than articulate, can still be tricky - LOL!
Posted on 12/02/2005 1:03:49 PM PST by RWR8189
So am I. I can hardly believe that ANYBODY in Ontario or anywhere else for that matter, would ever cast a vote for these CRIMINALS again. Not only have their actions been criminal, so has their behaviour toward our best ally and trading partner. HOW DARE these people call the President a moron and a bastard all the while sitting comfortably under her protection. For crying out loud Ontario, wake the hell up!! That comment is not directed at my fellow Conservatives in Ontario but to the die Hard Liberals who don't seem to know what's going on around them.
Your observations/conclusions in post#44 were informative ~ thanks!
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We let you in?
Two years ago, is two years ago.
The immigrants in Toronto are the ones voting Liberal.
We will have a conservative government after the 23rd. of January.
BTW, I was in Hong Kong and New Zealand for a week.
I guess that qualifies me to have the last word on their citizens motivations./sarc
Knock it off.
Looks like our Canada hating FRiend has slunk off yet again.
It sure can be hard to catch a snake...they are so slippery.
Nope I'm still here. Basically your argument is unconvincing in the sense that immigrants comprise 26.8% of Canada's populations, but in the last election the Liberal Party and New Democratic Party combined got 62.76% of votes. Even if we suppose all immigrants vote the Left (which I suspect doesn't hold) you still have 36% of native Anglophones voting in the Left versus 31.5% voting in the Right.
In other words, yes, immigrants vote Liberals, but without the accomplice of the Anglophones voting in the Grits, these votes alone cannot catapult the Grits into power.
If you have any evidence to the contrary, fire up. Otherwise, please fall silent. An argument must be backed by evidences.
Knock it off!
C-span just ran all the speeches and Q&As by the candidates. Martin looked uncomfortable as he repeated the same old stale Clintonesque, third way socialist talking points, and then ran away after a few questions. By contrast, Harper looked very confident, and I was proud to see him look into the camera and talk about tax cuts because "it's YOUR money".
That's it ,"too provincial" Now I know why Ontario had a Conservative government for 42 years straight .
Is that the French Gov't or the Quebec government we complain about? Actually I ignore them. The French one too.
I would like to ignore our Federal government also. However, that is the way the bad guys gain power.
Maybe I am badly misunderstanding this but there doesn't seem to be the big potential for a conservative win here. I suspect that even if the conservatives attain a plurality they will be unable to build a majority coalition.
If they were able to build such a coalition they would be so hampered by the neccessary concessions that they would be unable to govern from the right.
Now I know why Ontario had a Conservative government for 42 years straight .
Ahem, the Ontario conservative governments between 1943 and 85 were like this:
...During this period the party was led by Red Tory (moderate) premiers: George Drew, Leslie Frost, John Robarts and Bill Davis. These governments were responsible for some of the province's most progressive social legislation (including the Ontario Code of Human Rights), the creation of most of Ontario's welfare state and social programs, the creation of many Crown Corporations, and strong economic growth.
Sorry mate, but this sounds more like what the Liberals today looks like than anything pro-free market and pro-personal responsbility which defines what conservatism stands for in much of the world today.
Don't forget the great nationalized health care program which Ontario Anglos went for. One of the best indicators that they are/were far from conservative.
The type of right that has always flourished in Ontario has been "Red Tories":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Tory
"The notion of Red Toryism was developed by George Grant in the 1950s and 1960s who argued that Canadian conservatism was strongly influenced by ideals such as collectivism and community responsibility. These Tories rejected liberal values such as individualism. Red Tories were thus socially conservative supporting traditional institutions like religion and the monarchy but fiscally consensual and moderate, with a strong belief in the welfare state. Grant traced Red Toryism to the beginning of Canadian history. The collective nation building policies of Sir John A. Macdonald are seen as the foundation of the Red Tory tradition."
They don't like free markets in fact, and love the welfare state.
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