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To: PerConPat

yawn .. well if you don't know what to say just compare to WWII (was that the only time we did something with the army that worked ?)

Russia and China also threatened to do things we couldn't tolerate - as did south korea. Sure the mujahedin we supported with stingers and training (rambow III) didn't turn out to be that supportive afterwards (they are called taliban now and they gave their hospitality and trained warriors to Osama to dispose at will) and where given a good bombing and burning - but they are still there.

You can't bomb the knowledge of a-bomb building and you can't bomb hate. One can bomb a facility though if anything else fails. But you have to be sure it's not the chineese embassy ;-). That whould be cheap -but only if they stop trying afterwards.


Diplomacy is cheaper and if applied correctly (not in a unilateral approach) much more effective - now start crying me a river over the french weasels always spoiling the effort.
It's the fault of your grandpa - the next time they feel the need to be de-germanized just hold it back.

I still think that there's a way for Iran to join the coca cola drinking world.


42 posted on 12/02/2005 2:56:02 AM PST by globalheater (we need all kinds of thoughts)
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To: globalheater
Diplomacy is cheaper and if applied correctly (not in a unilateral approach) much more effective

Please post an historical example of a rabid martyr-happy Islamic state threatening its neighbour with nuclear annihilation - and being brought to heel by diplomacy alone. Diplomacy only works if there is credible threat of force.

But even the threat of force only works against people who care about their lives, and the lives of their children. There has NEVER BEEN IN THE WHOLE OF HISTORY a more compelling candidate for a pre-emptive strike than Iran's current Regime. Our Iranian freepers will no doubt agree - I hope that they will join this thread.

43 posted on 12/02/2005 3:51:11 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: globalheater
I still think that there's a way for Iran to join the coca cola drinking world.

Well, we've found common ground. Your way, however, is to rely on diplomacy in the hope that a gang of religious zealots, who don't mind suicide tactics, will eventually develop a taste for sugar water. My way is to make it clear, by the use of force, to the millions upon millions that spawn and support terrorism that life goes better with soda pop, not nukes.

But that probably presents fairness issues for you. Apparently it is not fair for me to point out my observations as to the possible lessons to be gleaned from history, since you feel perfectly free to spout your examples while pontificating that my comments are merely the result of not knowing what to say. How unseemly that is in a responsible discussion forum

The thirst for perfection permeates your post. Alas, there will be no perfection in the matter under discussion. Iran is, and has been, on a course that cannot be seen as anything but absolutely perilous for her enemies. We cannot achieve satisfactory security arrangements with a nation demonstrating, by word and deed, a dedication to our destruction.

There will be war with Iran, unless their leadership undergoes a very unlikely change.
50 posted on 12/02/2005 10:23:45 AM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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