Israeli intelligence sets deadline for strikes on Iran

World War 4 Report ^ | Bill Weinberg

[Stepan12]

crim:3 bucks a gallon is a small price to pay to keep Isreal from becoming a smoking crater... ""

Chamberlain's bluff: Oh, so the US has to fight Israel's wars? Since when?

Paying 3 bucks a gallon for gas is fighting Israel's wars?

You have a weird definition of fighting something.

[globalheater]

yawn .. well if you don't know what to say just compare to WWII (was that the only time we did something with the army that worked ?)

Russia and China also threatened to do things we couldn't tolerate - as did south korea. Sure the mujahedin we supported with stingers and training (rambow III) didn't turn out to be that supportive afterwards (they are called taliban now and they gave their hospitality and trained warriors to Osama to dispose at will) and where given a good bombing and burning - but they are still there.

You can't bomb the knowledge of a-bomb building and you can't bomb hate. One can bomb a facility though if anything else fails. But you have to be sure it's not the chineese embassy ;-). That whould be cheap -but only if they stop trying afterwards.


Diplomacy is cheaper and if applied correctly (not in a unilateral approach) much more effective - now start crying me a river over the french weasels always spoiling the effort.
It's the fault of your grandpa - the next time they feel the need to be de-germanized just hold it back.

I still think that there's a way for Iran to join the coca cola drinking world.

[agere_contra]

Diplomacy is cheaper and if applied correctly (not in a unilateral approach) much more effective

Please post an historical example of a rabid martyr-happy Islamic state threatening its neighbour with nuclear annihilation - and being brought to heel by diplomacy alone. Diplomacy only works if there is credible threat of force.

But even the threat of force only works against people who care about their lives, and the lives of their children. There has NEVER BEEN IN THE WHOLE OF HISTORY a more compelling candidate for a pre-emptive strike than Iran's current Regime. Our Iranian freepers will no doubt agree - I hope that they will join this thread.

[RoadTest]

His use of the word "quagmire" raises a Dimocrat alert light on my panel. That's the traitors' old, used Vietnam word wherewith they stabbed the Vietnamese loyaists in the back, abandoned an ally and denigrated the heroism of thousands of American soldiers.

[Rocketwolf68]

"And by the way, the Soviets had nuclear weapons for 40 years - aimed right at our cities - and we didn't need to invade the Soviet Union in order to protect ourselves or defeat them."

The Soviets weren't religious cult fanatics hell bent on Islam dominating the world and killing all the infidels. The mark of that dark corner of the world is the total inability to be rational. Most of the intellectuals left that country around '79; the rest were murdered.

[globalheater]

I name north korea as a hot candidate.

Noone and even less a whole group of people as large as Iran are careless about their lifes.

The will to live on is the very essence of life. Not only for christendom but for ants and daisys aswell. (If such a thing like free will exists)

If you must - please shoot the hate preachers but don't mobilize against the islam, the jews or the arabs. Well ok mobilize against the taliban.

[Crim]

Disagreememnt is a good thing...pissing off most of the forumites is quite another...

I've had occasion to disagree with the herd once and a while...but I try and take care that I do so in at least some type of logical fashion..or with some slight amount of respect...

Or start crying about the whether or not my gas prices will go up if Isreal might decide to defend itself against the nuclear mulla's...screaming Neo-con...or lementing the fact that we dont start a war with china...so we should not start a war with enyone else...ever..

I've witnessed Zots for less...

Respectfully.

[Convert from ECUSA]

Ping!

[PerConPat]

I still think that there's a way for Iran to join the coca cola drinking world.

Well, we've found common ground. Your way, however, is to rely on diplomacy in the hope that a gang of religious zealots, who don't mind suicide tactics, will eventually develop a taste for sugar water. My way is to make it clear, by the use of force, to the millions upon millions that spawn and support terrorism that life goes better with soda pop, not nukes.

But that probably presents fairness issues for you. Apparently it is not fair for me to point out my observations as to the possible lessons to be gleaned from history, since you feel perfectly free to spout your examples while pontificating that my comments are merely the result of not knowing what to say. How unseemly that is in a responsible discussion forum

The thirst for perfection permeates your post. Alas, there will be no perfection in the matter under discussion. Iran is, and has been, on a course that cannot be seen as anything but absolutely perilous for her enemies. We cannot achieve satisfactory security arrangements with a nation demonstrating, by word and deed, a dedication to our destruction.

There will be war with Iran, unless their leadership undergoes a very unlikely change.

[globalheater]

I think you should not consider the Iranian Society as a Bunch of People that whish t destroy life and christendom. I think the needs and thoughts of the people there are often enough highly controverse to those of their 'elected' leaders.

Show them the stick and the carrot. You will see that you need to have a stick but the carrot is what realy makes the donkey walk.

Thats true - although not proven by WWII. In WWII the world saw a highly technicised and highly coherent social entity running amok. Iran isn't speaking with one tounge and is mainly inhabited by uneducted and very poor people - these guys burn flags if you give them food or point a gun at them and wount do that if you stop to do so.

It's the hate preaching mullahs that need a spanking - and by far not everyone in Iran belongs in that drawer.

Muslims are not the problem. Iran is not the problem. The hate preaching Mullahs and our efforts to bury our credibility are.

[PerConPat]

It's the hate preaching mullahs that need a spanking - and by far not everyone in Iran belongs in that drawer.

I agree. There are elements in Iran that deserve our respect and assistance. By keeping pressure on the militant elements we may, in time, provide the millions of decent Iranians with a chance to better their lives. I have no quarrel with Islam.

[globalheater]

so you feel disrespected by what I posted ... ?

that wasn't my intention - my intention is however to see a more balanced debate.

[globalheater]

Yup. I agree.

(A european and a conservative US guy agree... there must be a misunderstanding we haven't discovered :))

[Crim]

???

Uh...no...

I dont feel disprespected...

I was pointng out there is a difference between disagreement...and trolling...whcih is what I was accusing another poster of...not you...

[Prov3456]

Another possibility is that after Iran nukes someone and parts of the world crumble into chaos, the gas prices will collapse to near-zero. You can't buy gas if you a)can't get it or b)don't have vehicles to put it into.

[Prov3456]

The Soviets had a vastly different mind-set than the Iranians (and others). The Soviets wanted to stay alive while they defeated the west; many in the middle east would gladly kill themselves in order to kill/destroy "the great Satan" and/or Israel.

That's a big difference.