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Least we forget about Kwanzaa.
The story of Kwanzaa ^

Posted on 11/30/2005 11:52:57 PM PST by Exton1

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To: Hugin
I can't wait until I visit my family and we all get to air our grievances against each other.

Happy Festivus!

41 posted on 12/01/2005 5:42:04 AM PST by chs68
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To: Exton1
I've got my Kwanzaaphernalia, so I'm all ready for the commemoration:


42 posted on 12/01/2005 5:46:21 AM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: Boris99

I just went to a local mall and saw a Kwanzaa banner along side the Chanukah and Christmas banners. The local grocery stores have a Kwanzaa section, and, of course, the greeting card industry has their contributions. As long as businesses can make a buck from Kwanzaa, it will keep showing up year after year.


44 posted on 12/01/2005 5:53:36 AM PST by Chanticleer (A free society is a place where it's safe to be unpopular. -- Adlai Stevenson)
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To: sheik yerbouty

Funny! Reminds me of a time many years ago when I was working at McDonalds in Miami. A British tourist family had come for breakfast, and an adorable little boy with a strong accent asked, "Mummy, what's an English muffin?"


45 posted on 12/01/2005 5:59:15 AM PST by Chanticleer (A free society is a place where it's safe to be unpopular. -- Adlai Stevenson)
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To: hellinahandcart

Guess that Jesus wasn't born in a Kwanzaa hut after all.


46 posted on 12/01/2005 6:04:50 AM PST by dogcaller
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To: BookaT
If the MSM would stop mentioning it(which they wont) it would be dead in one year.

I would also help if the President wouldn't give it recognition in White House ceremonies!!!

47 posted on 12/01/2005 6:08:35 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Exton1
Has anyone done a good study on how many African-Americans actually celebrate Kwanzaa? Anecdotal evidence indicates that few do, but if that is true, why would businesses continue to sell Kwanzaa products? Who is buying them?
48 posted on 12/01/2005 6:31:39 AM PST by Chanticleer (A free society is a place where it's safe to be unpopular. -- Adlai Stevenson)
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To: Exton1

Every year I have to rant somewhere on how this is a fake holiday.


49 posted on 12/01/2005 6:41:03 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: msnimje

This is just Kwazy.

As a teacher, I've never done anything on it. Frankly, I have no idea exactly what it's all about. I do have time to have a little Christmas party and teach, but not to celebrate everyone's version of whatever under the sun.


50 posted on 12/01/2005 8:51:01 AM PST by moog
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To: clee1

Please don't remind us of this racist nonsense.

I was quite content to "forget it".


51 posted on 12/01/2005 8:53:17 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Exton1
If Karenga is opposed to "spookism," then what was he doing speaking at Farrakhan's gathering last october? And isn't his humanistic, anti-spiritual philosophy the creation of Europeans like Voltaire and Darwin? What's "African" about it?

Karenga and "kwanzaa" represent an interesting ideological quandary. Originally Karenga was a rightwing nationalist--sort of the Black Revilo P. Oliver (Oliver was also a radical scientific materialist opposed to traditional religion). However, because at a certain point Marxist strategy dovetailed with Black nationalism he was able to become a "Marxist," which is supposedly what he is today.

The Left has been morphing into a Third World national socialist movement for some time. It seems that the old USSR is no longer the model for Third World Leftists, but that World War II-era fascist Japan fits the bill more easily, and indeed the Left (originally as anti-Japanese as it was anti-Nazi) has been moving into a revisionist position on the Pacific phase of World War II for some time. In fact, during the War Japan (though allied with Nazi Germany) posed as the great defender of people of color, and there were Black leftists in America (like Adam Clayton Powell) as well as rightwing Black nationalists (like Elijah Muhammad) who agreed with them.

Fascism and Nazism both originated among people with an inferiority complex. Italy was divided and partly under foreign rule until 1861. Germany was not a unified nation until a decade later. Because the nations were new and felt inferior to older nations, because they lagged behind in colonies and empire-building, and because they felt humiliated at being at least partially subject to foreign rule they reacted with a psychotic nationalism. Is this not similar to the inferiority complex many American Blacks have that has led them to fantasies of "Pan-Africanism," of a vast continent with a greater diversity of population than Europe somehow being a single great nation containing "one people?"

The Old Left might have eventually come to realize that their indulgence of Third World nationalism didn't gibe with their core philosophy. The contemporary Left, however seems to have switched traded Marx for Mussolini and Kita Ikki as core philosophers, however much lip service they still pay him.

Pinging wideawake and cyborg to get your opinion.

52 posted on 12/01/2005 9:13:23 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vehe'emin BeHaShem, vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
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To: wideawake; cyborg
Dang! Forgot to ping you guys!

Please see my post #52 above. Any thoughts?

53 posted on 12/01/2005 9:14:41 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vehe'emin BeHaShem, vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
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To: Exton1
The holiday "was chosen to give a Black alternative to the existing holiday and give Blacks an opportunity to celebrate themselves..."

One can only imagine the public outcry if some lunatic white guy invented a holiday where white people "celebrate themselves."

.....especially if said holiday was recognized by the White House.

54 posted on 12/01/2005 9:22:46 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Chanticleer

When he's older, he will ask for tarts, or perhaps tea and strumpets..


55 posted on 12/01/2005 9:42:39 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

good points... I suppose it's someone's right to celebrate kwanzaa if they want. I told petronski that white liberals are probably celebrating it more than black people. His holiday is completely godless and very communistic.


56 posted on 12/01/2005 10:15:04 AM PST by cyborg (I'm on the 24 plan having the best day ever.)
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To: rdb3

Yep. I've answered someone's ping and that's all I have to say. I commented on kwanzaa a lot in the past but there's only so many times I can say what I say *LOL*


57 posted on 12/01/2005 10:16:39 AM PST by cyborg (I'm on the 24 plan having the best day ever.)
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To: Exton1

It is totally bogus fake religious activity


58 posted on 12/01/2005 9:23:14 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: Lancey Howard

Thanks for the link!


59 posted on 12/01/2005 9:30:47 PM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: Exton1
Least we forget about Kwanzaa.

It's the lest we could do.

60 posted on 12/01/2005 9:37:53 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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