Posted on 11/30/2005 2:35:54 PM PST by churchillbuff
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said he would consider granting clemency to convicted killer Stanley Tookie Williams, the Crips gang co-founder who became an anti-gang activist while in prison.
The governor said Friday he would meet Dec. 8 in a private hearing at his Sacramento office with Williams' lawyers, Los Angeles County prosecutors and others involved.
Schwarzenegger, vested with constitutional authority to grant mercy and commute a death sentence to life without parole, is not legally obligated to hold a public or private hearing, and decides clemency requests on a "case-by-case basis," said his spokeswoman, Margita Thompson.
Williams, 51, faces death by lethal injection on Dec. 13 for murdering four people in 1979 a Whittier convenience store clerk and three people at a Pico Rivera motel less than two weeks later. He denies his guilt, and has also asked the California Supreme Court to reopen his case, alleging shoddy forensics wrongly connected him to three of the murders.
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the last sociopathic hero of the left, Mumia, had a much better case than Tookie. (I think Mumia only murdered one person in cold blood.)
most people who study sociopaths don't believe they can ever become anything like "normal", because they don't have consciences.
actually, tookie himself bothers me less than the creepy hollywood liberals who are trying to get him out. i think one of the guys from the old MASH tv show is helping him.
tookie is about as innocent and reformed as bin laden.
Arnold is a politician, and knows that if he sides with tookie, he will lose all conservative support. he also knows that even if he set tookie free, the liberals would still hate him.
and someone on this thread pointed out that Arnold hasn't let other killers off.
i'm guessing he wants to appear fair and reasonable, but i don't think even hilary would pardon this guy.
But he bragged about the killings on several occasions!I really hope that Arnold does the right thing and doesn't cave in to political expediency.
Go ask me a question on eBay about Tookie. :)
Sets a bad precedent.
Thank you for confirming what I thought I knew, too. The headline is wrong. It's says "meeting with Crips Founder".
YES, it matters that the headline is dead wrong. And NO, I don't think Arnold is a, as you write, "phoquing retard!!!!". Were I in his shoes, I'd be doing the same thing. I'd wanna know how fully stacked the house is. If Tookie does not get clemency, is the entire state going to erupt into an NOI-does-the-CA Cities kinda of thing? Deja Vu LA Riots? I'd want to ask questions.
Very good point. Either way this guy will not be departing prison.
That's way to nice of description for this guy. He's a cold blooded murdering monster. He never gave his victims one single chance.
Not in this case. Schwarzenegger is one of them.
Schwarzenegger is a liberal. As long as Schwarzenegger continues promoting the same liberal policies that he has for the last two years he will be treated kindly by the Democrats.
The problem with all lefties is that all they do is 'claim'. They are forever without a shred of fact to back up their assertions. I am of the opinion they aren't worth listening to much less actually addressing.
Can't argue with that. I just think he'll snap.
Do you honestly think that there will be riots if tookie is put to death?...
I heard Wolfie blitzer tonight say that Arnold would be the one who decides if Tookie lives or dies. No, the ones that decided that were the ones that convicted him...Where was Snoop then( mighta been a 7 year old murderer/drug dealer)??? Where was the outrage then??? Give me a break, the media is what is turning this mess into a riot...feeding the fire.
If riots break out because a murderer is put to death in a state where they have the death penalty, i would hope that authorities are ready to take action..and defend your city/state/country from insects that would kill their own and destroy themselves to make a point...and that point would be that someone can commit murder , never admit to killing anyone, find god and write beautiful stories of bubble gum and lollipops and not be held to the harshest laws for for the harshest of crimes...i know i'm babbling, but you should get my point.
Can't go around laws and verdicts everytime you seem fit because of fear that someone might not like that decision...lol
ping
Yesterday on my way home from work I was listening to the John and Ken show on AM 640 KFI Los Angeles.
They were interviewing someone (I forget his name) that was supposed to have been one of the original two co-founders of the Crips in 1968.
He says he is the one who recruited Tookie into the Crips in 1971. That Tookie is not a co-founder or even one of the original Crips. That this is a lie Tookie tells (among many) to create his false bona-fides. He also claims that Tookie, besides being a liar and a cold-blooded murderer, is also a pedophile. He said that the governor should not commute the death sentence. He said Tookie should die.
According to this person, he left the gang after he started working out at Golds gym. That while working at Golds gym he met Arnold who had just won his third (?) Mr. Universe title.
Apparantly, he had been working on helping Tookie with lifting weights as an alternative to gang-banging, and even introduced Tookie to the Governor back in 70-71. But apparantly tookie decided not to continue training with them and six months later was in jail for the murders he now faces death for.
It was a very interesting interview. If this guy is to be believed it further testifies to Tookies duplicity. It also raises some questions as to how it may affect Arnolds thinking concerning a commutation, since he has met Tookie before and was apparantley immpressed with his body-building.
Sorry, I can't. If I did I'd have to shoot you with a phased-plasma rifle in the forty watt range.
Just kidding! I was referring to the document that has been around that shows what they provided "Ahnold". They redacted the images that they provided him. I think they should have included the close contact shotgun hit pictures showing what this *urd did to those poor people. In fact, I think they should "Tookie TV" that does nothing but show exactly what this devoid did to the people he butchered. This guy used a shotgun and he liked using it. That's as evil and devoid of humanity as it gets!
We need not keep from showing the dead bodies after 9/11 or other grotesque and frightening things done by devoids like this domestic terrorist "Tookie". I'm not saying put it on prime time or throwing it out there all the time. I just mean that when it comes to the capital cases or situations where the devoid has been really bad and then later says they have been reformed, or they say "it was allahs idea" or they have some moron actor helping them we need to show the blood and guts. It's only fair to those that have lost their lives to the evil doers. Show what was done to them.
PS - I've been listening to Larry Elder on the radio for a long time. He's on Hannity and Colmes. I've never seen his face before. I like him and I also like Rev. Jesse Peterson. They happen to be black guys. As a conservative and a Republican I'm very happy these guys exist. Their heads are wired the right way.....
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