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Catholics polarized by ruling against gays becoming priests (No change in Dallas diocese)
Dallas Morning News ^ | 11/30/2005 | Sam Hodges

Posted on 11/30/2005 10:00:11 AM PST by sinkspur

In the Dallas area, as in the nation, Catholics were deeply divided about Tuesday's Vatican ruling that men with "deep-seated" homosexual tendencies should not be allowed to become priests.

For Bob Rowland, a conservative Catholic, the first major policy statement under Pope Benedict XVI was long overdue.

"The success of the new directive rests on the rapid application of decisive punishment for disobedience," said Mr. Rowland, a technical writer and retired Air Force officer in Irving.

But for Victor Kralisz, president of Dignity Dallas, a group of about 70 openly gay Catholics, the document is "a very sad business that undermines the good work and dedicated lives of a huge number of gay priests in this country and around the world."

Some other local Catholics, including those belonging to groups that have protested the church's handling of child sex abuse by priests, also criticized the ruling.

Scandal's consequences The document has been under preparation for years, but it was released as the church continues to struggle with the fallout from the sex-abuse scandal, which some blame in part on a large number of gay men in the Catholic clergy.

That's unfair, said Dan Feeney of Southlake, a member of Voice of the Faithful, a group of Catholics who have been critical of the church's handling of the scandal.

(Excerpt) Read more at dallasnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: catholicchurch; homosexuals; priesthood
Bishop Charles Grahmann of Dallas said the ruling would not change how he and other officials go about screening candidates for Holy Trinity Seminary in Irving or other Catholic seminaries.

"We have been following its norms already," he said.

The Dallas Diocese's director of vocations, the Rev. Josef Vollmer-Konig, said he does not ask point blank about a seminary candidate's sexual orientation, and he does not expect to have to do so.

Candidates go through extensive psychological testing in which issues about sexuality are likely to surface, he said.


1 posted on 11/30/2005 10:00:17 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
But for Victor Kralisz, president of Dignity Dallas, a group of about 70 openly gay Catholics apostates

Much better

2 posted on 11/30/2005 10:02:13 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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Exactly. The only ones polarized are those who don't believe anyway. They SHOULD be ignored. Let them go form their own church.


3 posted on 11/30/2005 10:05:55 AM PST by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: sinkspur

The only division here is with those who have chosen to divide themselves from the Roman Cathlic Church and its teachings.


4 posted on 11/30/2005 10:07:22 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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"There's no [research] correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia," he said.

Wouldn't be useful if we had it. Most of those violated were young men.

5 posted on 11/30/2005 10:09:16 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: sinkspur
But for Victor Kralisz, president of Dignity Dallas, a group of about 70 openly gay Catholics, the document is "a very sad business that undermines the good work and dedicated lives of a huge number of gay priests in this country and around the world."
Dignity has long been banned from using any Catholic facilities. Their disapproval is predictable and inconsequential.
6 posted on 11/30/2005 10:12:23 AM PST by eastsider
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That's unfair, said Dan Feeney of Southlake, a member of Voice of the Faithful, a group of Catholics who have been critical of the church's handling of the scandal.

"There's no [research] correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia," he said. "To turn around and focus on chaste and celibate men who want to be members of the clergy is, I think, misleading."

Not so fast Feeney; a member of Voice of The Hidden Agenda, we have hard evidence that the vast majority of the abuse cases, 82%, involved ephebophilia. Homosexual acts between adult males and post pubescent males.

(No change in Dallas diocese)

An opinion of yours not shared by Monsignor Duca.

'But Monsignor Michael Duca, rector of Holy Trinity Seminary, was less sure that admission procedures would not have to change.

"I think what this document is telling us is that we're going to have, with all our candidates, an open and honest discussion about sexuality," he said. "Whether there will be a direct question about orientation, I can't tell you that."

7 posted on 11/30/2005 10:18:59 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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An opinion of yours not shared by Monsignor Duca.

Not my opinion; Bishop Grahmann's opinion.

8 posted on 11/30/2005 10:21:43 AM PST by sinkspur (Trust, but vilify.)
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To: sinkspur

I see a larger political problem on the horizon. There was an endless chorus about the Church's "pedophilia" problem, but nary a mainstream word about the fact that it was a HOMOSEXUAL pedophilia problem. Even Jay Leno made a joke about a true story about how a Polish priest visiting America got in trouble for having sex with a GIRL. But, here's where this whole thing will (hopefully) cause problems: how are the phony Catholics like Kerry, Kennedy et al. going to continue to pretend to be going to this allegedly "homophobic" Church while continuing to appease their queer base? They still see the political value of pretending to be Catholic, although they get fewer and fewer Catholic votes every cycle, but they can't lose the NAMBLA votes, eitheer.

I hope their "dilemna of hipocrisy" is fatal.


9 posted on 11/30/2005 10:25:24 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: sinkspur

Unless Grahmann wants a repeat of Rudy Kos, he'll screen his seminarians and enforce the ban on ordaining homosexuals. If he thinks he can avoid the issue and carry on business as usual he's either stupid or delusional.

10 posted on 11/30/2005 10:37:23 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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But for Victor Kralisz, president of Dignity Dallas, a group of about 70 openly gay Catholics, the document is "a very sad business that undermines the good work and dedicated lives of a huge number of gay priests in this country and around the world."

Right. Including those virtuous "gay" priests that were responsible for 80-90% of the sex abuse cases.
11 posted on 11/30/2005 10:39:58 AM PST by Antoninus (Hillary smiles every time a Freeper trashes Rick Santorum)
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But for Victor Kralisz, president of Dignity Dallas, a group of about 70 openly gay Catholics, the document is "a very sad business that undermines the good work and dedicated lives of a huge number of gay priests in this country and around the world."

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Those who do not follow the Church and the Pope are not Catholics. They may call themselves so, but it may be time for them to find another religion.

12 posted on 11/30/2005 10:43:47 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Robert Goodkind, an Albuquerque, N.M., psychologist who for many years treated priests accused of sex abuse, said the higher percentage of male victims owes in part to an "overrepresentation" of gays in the priesthood compared with other occupations.

At last! A psychologist who admits the abuse was mainly a homosexual problem! No weasle words, just a straight-forward admission.

If 4% of priests molested, and homosexuals represent 25% of the priestly population, that means 1 out of 8 homosexual priests is a molester.

13 posted on 11/30/2005 4:03:11 PM PST by tuesday afternoon
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