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Exit Strategy How to disengage from Iraq in 18 months (Gag, Barf)
Boston Review ^ | Barry R. Posen

Posted on 11/30/2005 7:28:00 AM PST by Valin

The United States needs a new strategy in Iraq and the Persian Gulf. The war is at best a stalemate; the large American presence now causes more trouble than it prevents. We must disengage from Iraq—and we must do it by removing most American and allied military units within 18 months. Though disengagement has risks and costs, they can be managed. The consequences would not be worse for the United States than the present situation, and capabilities for dealing with them are impressive, if properly employed.

Some people argue that the United States should disengage because the war was a mistake in the first place, or because it is morally wrong. I do not propose to pass judgment on these questions one way or the other. My case for disengagement is different: it is forward-looking and based on American national interests. The war as it has evolved (and is likely to evolve) badly serves those interests. A well-planned disengagement will serve them much better by reducing military, economic, and political costs.

Let us consider the facts of the case: The United States and its Iraqi partners are fighting a tough counterinsurgency campaign against determined, deadly, well-funded, and well-equipped foes. There are essentially two groups organizing the violent opposition: remnants of the Baath regime and Iraqi fundamentalist Islamists in league with foreign terrorists—al Qaeda affiliates or imitators. They both find their support in the larger Sunni Arab community of roughly five million people, who live mainly in central and western Iraq.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: exitstrategy; iraq

1 posted on 11/30/2005 7:28:00 AM PST by Valin
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To: Valin
The war is at best a stalemate; the large American presence now causes more trouble than it prevents.

What a load of crap.

2 posted on 11/30/2005 7:29:17 AM PST by SIDENET ("IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!")
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To: Valin

What planet is Barry from?


3 posted on 11/30/2005 7:29:52 AM PST by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel)
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To: Valin

And now for somwe really REALLY GOOD NEWS
Coming in the January/February 2006 issue of Boston Review:
A NEW DEMOCRACY FORUM
on Barry R. Posen's "Exit Strategy"

With Sen. Joseph Biden, Barbara Bodine, Vivek Chibber, Helena Cobban, Juan Cole, Sen. Russell Feingold, Randall Forsberg, Chris Preble, Nir Rosen, and Eliot Weinberger




At last we'll find out how we can get out of Iraq, and just what the Iraqis should do. Thanks goodness that we have people like this.


4 posted on 11/30/2005 7:30:20 AM PST by Valin (Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum)
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To: Valin
Though disengagement has risks and costs, they can be managed.

Though letting terrorists kill our citizens on our soil, and not do anything about it has its risks and costs, it can be managed.

The guy is a twit...

5 posted on 11/30/2005 7:31:30 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Edgerunner

Uranus


6 posted on 11/30/2005 7:31:35 AM PST by Valin (Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum)
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To: Valin
Who better to give such advice than the Marxist Trust Babies at ?
7 posted on 11/30/2005 7:32:06 AM PST by pabianice (I guess)
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To: Valin

As another Freeper wrote "3,000 killed in less than an hour & we were ready to fight, 2,000 killed in the course of several years & these same folks are ready to cut & run." What a stupid move this would be & the consequences of such a move would be chilling.


8 posted on 11/30/2005 7:32:33 AM PST by Fighter@heart (Anit-troll mechanism is on & scanning all posts)
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To: Valin

he has some understanding of Iraq but he is wrong on many counts and wrong in general


9 posted on 11/30/2005 7:34:27 AM PST by Wuli
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To: trebb
Though letting terrorists kill our citizens on our soil, and not do anything about it has its risks and costs, it can be managed.

"If we could just make sure that all they killed were republicans....hmmm."

(Imagining what goes on in Barry Posen's mind)

10 posted on 11/30/2005 7:35:08 AM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (History says our political structure and weak stomach will cause us to lose this war.)
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To: Valin

When the President gives his speech today, remember that withdrawal is victory.

Let the libs know that.

Why? So that when we DO pull out, the Iraq War cannot be called a failure.

"What do mean it was a failure? We won! We pulled out! We brought our troops home! Isn' that victory?"

(sorry i couldn't find the off-button for sarcasm)


11 posted on 11/30/2005 7:35:14 AM PST by TheRobb7 (The American Spirit does not require a federal subsidy.)
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To: Valin

And they wonder why circulation is declining and they're laying off people. Sheesh!


12 posted on 11/30/2005 7:35:31 AM PST by Obadiah ( Deuteronomy 6:5)
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To: Valin

More trail droppings from Boston. Read my tagline.


13 posted on 11/30/2005 7:36:25 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (In war, the only intelligent exit strategy is Victory.)
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To: Valin

Nuke Iran?


14 posted on 11/30/2005 7:39:25 AM PST by oldleft
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To: Valin
The United States needs a new strategy in Iraq and the Persian Gulf. Wrong.

The war is at best a stalemate; Wrong

the large American presence now causes more trouble than it prevents. Wrong

Since his premises are wrong, there's no need to finish the essay.

15 posted on 11/30/2005 7:41:22 AM PST by Rudder
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To: Valin
Actually it's a moon of Uranus known as Hedupisahazz,The Lesser. Hedupisahazz,The Greater, is often associated with Joseph Biden and Howard Dean, oddly enough.
16 posted on 11/30/2005 7:44:58 AM PST by tbpiper (Islam, the cultural equivalent of flesh eating bacteria.)
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To: Fighter@heart

The Ten Costliest Battles of the Civil War
Based on total casualties (killed, wounded, missing, and captured)
http://www.civilwarhome.com/Battles.htm

#1
Battle of Gettysburg
Date: July 1-3, 1863

Location: Pennsylvania
Confederate Commander: Robert E. Lee
Union Commander: George G. Meade
Confederate Forces Engaged: 75,000
Union Forces Engaged: 82,289
Winner: Union
Casualties: 51,112 (23,049 Union and 28,063 Confederate)





#2
Battle of Chickamauga
Date: September 19-20, 1863

Location: Georgia
Confederate Commander: Braxton Bragg
Union Commander: William Rosecrans
Confederate Forces Engaged: 66,326
Union Forces Engaged: 58,222
Winner: Confederacy
Casualties: 34,624 (16,170 Union and 18,454 Confederate)





#3
Battle of Chancellorsville
Date: May 1-4, 1863

Location: Virginia
Confederate Commander: Robert E. Lee
Union Commander: Joseph Hooker
Confederate Forces Engaged: 60,892
Union Forces Engaged: 133,868
Winner: Confederacy
Casualties: 30,099 (17,278 Union and 12,821 Confederate)





#4
Battle of Spotsylvania
Date: May 8-19, 1864

Location: Virginia
Confederate Commander: Robert E. Lee
Union Commander: Ulysses S. Grant
Confederate Forces Engaged: 50,000
Union Forces Engaged: 83,000
Winner: Confederacy
Casualties: 27,399 (18,399 Union and 9)000 Confederate)





#5
Battle of Antietam
Date: September 17, 1862

Location: Maryland
Confederate Commander: Robert E. Lee
Union Commander: George B. McClellan
Confederate Forces Engaged: 51,844
Union Forces Engaged: 75,316
Winner: Union
Casualties: 26,134 (12,410 Union and 13,724 Confederate)





#6
Battle of The Wilderness
Date: May 5-7, 1864

Location: Virginia
Confederate Commander: Robert E. Lee
Union Commander: Ulysses S. Grant
Confederate Forces Engaged: 61,025
Union Forces Engaged: 101,895
Winner: Inconclusive
Casualties: 25,416 (17,666 Union and 7,750 Confederate)





#7
Battle of Second Manassas
Date: August 29-30, 1862

Location: Virginia
Confederate Commander: Robert E. Lee
Union Commander: John Pope
Confederate Forces Engaged: 48,527
Union Forces Engaged: 75,696
Winner: Confederacy
Casualties: 25,251 (16,054 Union and 9,197 Confederate)





#8
Battle of Stone's River
Date: December 31, 1862

Location: Tennessee
Confederate Commander: Braxton Bragg
Union Commander: William S. Rosecrans
Confederate Forces Engaged: 37,739
Union Forces Engaged: 41,400
Winner: Union
Casualties: 24,645 (12,906 Union and 11,739 Confederate)





#9
Battle of Shiloh
Date: April 6-7, 1862

Location: Tennessee
Confederate Commander: Albert Sidney Johnston/ P. G. T. Beauregard
Union Commander: Ulysses S. Grant
Confederate Forces Engaged: 40,335
Union Forces Engaged: 62,682
Winner: Union
Casualties: 23,741 (13,047 Union and 10,694 Confederate)





#10
Battle of Fort Donelson
Date: February 13-16, 1862

Location: Tennessee
Confederate Commander: John B. Floyd/Simon B. Buckner
Union Commander: Ulysses S. Grant
Confederate Forces Engaged: 21,000
Union Forces Engaged: 27,000
Winner: Union
Casualties: 19,455 (2,832 Union and 16,623 Confederate)


17 posted on 11/30/2005 7:45:24 AM PST by Valin (Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum)
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To: Valin
Though disengagement has risks and costs, they can be managed.

Tell that to the million dead on Cambodia's killing fields and to those Vietnamese who lost their lives trying to flee another "disengagement," one called for by the left who always claim to be able to manage risks and costs.

18 posted on 11/30/2005 7:53:03 AM PST by catpuppy
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