" When you look out your window, do you see this revolving?"
BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAA!
Note: If you do not believe that there is something greater in this universe than you, then this is your point-of-view rice08!
Posted on 11/30/2005 7:11:55 AM PST by rice08
I am a conservative, I think there is no more fitting place to post this than here at FR, the only caveat I will say is that this post has nothing to do with my handle (rice08)
To quote Charles foster Kane, I have a statement of principles on our country and the world as a whole, here is what I believe in no particular order:
- Cut taxes whenever possible for any reasonable cause
- Limit government spending, privatize when possible… You want Medicare? Here is a voucher for blue cross/blue shield, go nuts
- Ronald Reagan was a great president and had a great deal to do with the collapse of the Soviet Union
- Commies aren’t cool
- The Chicoms are a real and strategic threat to the security of the United States and the world, I avoid “made in china” whenever humanly possible
- Always lukewarm on “free trade” because you can call something free trade and it can be something else entirely (see “De-Regulation”)
- I am strong supporter and believe in the *entire* constitution of the United States, not just certain amendments. that includes the 2nd.
- Judges should not legislate
- Treason is real and exists today
- Democrats have lost their way from the days of Truman
- Education is a silver bullet for many of society’s problems ; that includes generous vouchers for all takers from any background (From home schooling to the church of frank) I don’t care
- The MSM is liberal and so are our college campi
- Freedom of religion is not freedom FROM religion and our great history of religious tolerance proves it
- The UN and the EU have become corrupt and should be marginalized as institutions
- The ACLU is a serious threat to this country
- Lynn Stewart deserves to rot
- The US Armed forces have been the greatest force for human freedom in the history of mankind.
- Impeachment of Billary was a vindictive and political act but he was and is a dirtbag.
- John McCain is a hero to this country but for McCain-Finegold alone deserves great scorn (not to mention his other RINO tendencies)
- Hillary Clinton is a great political threat to this country
- Saudi Arabia is not our friend
- Drill everywhere
- Michael Moore isn’t a patriot
- Invest in every kind of alternative fuel possible (that includes government investment as well)
- At the very least have a cold hard look at the drug war
- None of this 3-5 years for murder 2 crap, lock ‘em away
- I support the death penalty but I won’t man the barricades for it
- The war on terror is the most important issue of our time
- Free peoples and free markets work better than any other form of human civilization, government must exist to protect the rights of the individual first and foremost against the sometimes evil nature of individuals
- I think corporations should be good US citizens not members of some undefined and unequal global community (see free trade)
- Iron clad and armed borders with a organized flow of honest immigrants from all corners of the earth are welcome. (I say this as a proud immigrant to this country)
- The current Republican order in Washington is a virtual disgrace when it comes to the issues of spending and immigration
- Wal-Mart is not evil except for their enabling of the PRC
- Unions work when they understand and believe in the capitalist system of supply and demand
You will of course note that some hot button issues are missing. Well guess what, I am by most standards pro-choice, save your arguments. On top of that I couldn’t give two bottles of jack if two or 3 or 5 of anybody or anything got married while being officiated by their pet poodle. I am also a militant atheist who doesn’t give THREE bottles of jack what you believe in and would never dream of telling you what to believe about anything, that said, keep ID out of my face, thanks. I am not going to change in this regard and that isn’t the reason why I posted this.
My point is that all of my conservative friends and family believe in virtually this same platform and we all vote republican. The problem is that if a pro choice republican tried to run for national office with this long list of deeply held beliefs they are DOA due to the passionate and sincere beliefs of the conservative “base” . I am not telling anybody to abandon their faith or their beliefs, quite the opposite.
I am wondering if those reading this understand that the conservative revolution that has been brewing for 40 years is threatened because of this make or break issue. Not because moderating the party’s pro-life stance will attract a larger pool of voters but because it keeps good conservatives out of power, plain and simple.
Discuss
BT
Thank you!
Be my guest!
You were very clear. In other words, we can agree to disagree AS LONG AS we do things your pro-choice marry-the-poodle way.
Not a chance. And I am certain that the majority of living voting Americans agrees with me.
Thankee kindly. :)
Most (definitely not all) of us do, but there is no point in giving up too early.
How do you feel about affirmative action?
I am also a native New Yorker (eastern upstate) and I feel the same way. I was faced just recently with a decision in our mayoral primary. I voted for the conservative candidate. He didn't win, but still had a spot on the ballot for the general election. I voted for him again, knowing that it would mean the Republican candidate would lose. And he did. He would have won by a long shot had the conservatives not come out so strongly. I felt it was my only shot at giving the Republicans in my town a message. I have to live with a Democrat for the next 4 years. In a small city like mine, I was willing to pay that price. BUT, I would not do the same in a state or federal election. ESPECIALLY with Hillary as a candidate. I would vote for the Republican candidate NO MATTER what if it was the only way to keep her out of office.
Hillary is not a New Yorker. She doesn't give two hoots about this state other than using it as a springboard to the Presidency. And I truly fear for America if she gets into the White House. She will sell what's left of its soul.
I will say one thing in Rudy Guiliani's defense. He doesn't pretend to be what he is not. That's Hillary's game.
Very good post!
..........keep ID out of my face..........
Even better!
it's yet another issue that has a very broad and generic name that means very different things in different cases, I am opposed to any decision based on race or gender. I have seen different outreach programs and the like that may fall under the large umbrella of affermative action that I think are helpful.
I should mention I am from New York city so I am well aware of what goes on here politically, I have certainly voted for 3rd party candidates out of principle many times, heck I voted for nader in 2000 in new york to encourage him because I knew bush had no chance here (and I had lingering bush 41 distaste) I thought at the time that it was a protest vote of sorts against what I felt were W's less than stellar conservative chops. as I stated earlier I want to do anything in my power to see hillary clinton not elected president of this great country and to suggest Rudy is some kind of RINO is absurd and his conservative leadership skills in new york city over the course of 8 years are an outstanding record any republican should be proud to run on and nobody who lives here would think he was the same as hillary or the same as General David Dinkins or Ed Koch.
" When you look out your window, do you see this revolving?"
BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAA!
Note: If you do not believe that there is something greater in this universe than you, then this is your point-of-view rice08!
A basic tenet of conservatism is that the government's primary duty is to protect the innocent. By saying you think abortion is horrible and painful then you must believe what is aborted is a human being, otherwise it would have no more importance than removing an infected appendix. If you then believe an abortion destroys an innocent human life, but you think that is ok, then you are not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination. All you have done is picked a few things at random and claimed they make you a conservative. Conservatives have certain core beliefs from which everything else follows. I don't see a single core belief in your list.
You didn't see any "core" beliefs? with the exception of the issues I mention I belive I have more core values than the supposedly republican house, senate and president we worked hard to elect. All 3 combined have done very little on the "core" value of abortion and yet many seem to be happy to support them when on other "core" values like spending (if someone told you in 1993 that a republican house, senate and president would be elected and much less pass a $700 BILLION prescription drug plan most of you would have fallen off your chair) and immegration and trade. Where is my universal school voucher program? why do we still have a department of education? Hows that gang of 14 doing?
I posged my original article for the exact reason of trying to point out that the conservative agenda for this country deals with a great many matters.
A core belief is not about a 700 Billion prescription plan, or the existence of the department of education. Those are what comes out of a core belief that government that governs least, governs best. If you had said you don't believe an abortion kills a human life, then I could accept you have no reason to be against abortion. But for you to say you recognize it causes horrible pain tells me you know what abortion is, but you have more important things to worry about, like the budget or the department of education. Those things are important to me as well, but as long as we are butchering a million or more innocent lives a year because they are inconvenient, then those other issues pale. George Bush is appointing conservatives to the Supreme Court and other federal courts. I will support him on this basis regardless of how successful he is on any other issue. I respect the fact you are an Atheist and I don't believe one has to believe in God to be a Republican or a Conservative. But, I don't see how you can claim you believe in the Constitution which says we are all entitled to due process and then simply turn your back on a million human beings. I noticed in your response to me you didn't mention abortion. Do you or do you not believe an unborn baby is a human being?
Frankly, on a personal level I have a hard time accepting that it isn't a life. I freely admit that, I want abortion to be entirely legal and to never happen. Unfortunatly this is a leftist and pro-choice talking point but they don't really mean it. I think that NAGs do view it as some sort of statement of femanist empowerment. I don't want any abortions to happen, but I don't think that something so increadibly personal should be legislated or ruled on by the courts as a consequence, and yes this view is probably largly formed by my athiest background.
People on this thread have constantly refered to not giving up on this issue. I am saying that it may well be counter productive to surrender EVERYTHING ELSE in it's name.
And yes a government that governs least does govern best and I have no problem applying that to the issue of abortion (or pornography or drugs) I simply don't see it as murder. I am sure those that are pro-life may consider this hypocritcal but I have come to terms with it and whatever hypocracy you may feel I poses on this issue does not mean I don't have "core" values when it comes to the relationship between the state and the individual.
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