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THE FEDERAL RESERVE Fractional Reserve Lending (Banking 101)
Financial Sense Online ^ | 29 Nov 2005 | Douglas Gnazzo

Posted on 11/29/2005 1:19:18 PM PST by hubbubhubbub

"All the perplexities, confusion and distresses in America arise not from defects in the Constitution or confederation, nor from want of honor or virtue, as much from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation." [1]

Abstract

Ignorantia juris non excusat (ignorance of the law does not excuse) is a well established principle dating back thousands of years. Roman and English law, precursors of the American system of jurisprudence, both recognized the maxim.

Be it not forgotten – justice excuses not the law. The laws of the land are to be made in pursuance of the Constitution. The Constitution has precedent. Any law not in pursuance of the Constitution is null and void, as if it never occurred. So the court has ruled.

"And there is virgin Justice, the daughter of Zeus, who is honored and reverenced among the gods who dwell on Olympus, and whenever anyone hurts her with lying slander, she sits beside her father, Zeus the son of Cronos, and tells him of men's wicked heart, until the people pay for the mad folly of their princes who, evilly minded, pervert judgement and give sentence crookedly." [2]

No man is above the law – not even the King. No law is above the Constitution – not even the King’s. All men are created equal. All men are judged accordingly. He without sin cast the first stone.

The ignorance of coin, credit, and circulation is unfortunately, a widespread occurrence – causing perplexities, confusion, and distress, all tearing at the social fabric of our nation. But who is guilty of these defects – who has caused them to be?

Is it the fault of the common man that he cannot understand the complexities of a monetary system that moved Lord Keynes to say that not one man in a million understands money?

No, the common man is not at fault, the blame lies elsewhere: it rests with those who have purposefully made the monetary policy so bizarre that even its keepers have a hard time understanding the delusion they have created.

John Kenneth Galbraith clearly understood the illusionary nature of the elite’s monetary economists when he stated that they:

“use complexity to disguise or to evade the truth, rather than to reveal it.” [3]

Fractional Reserves

The most dishonest monetary illusion is the shadow cast by fractional reserve lending.

"Because of 'fractional' reserve system, banks, as a whole, can expand our money supply several times, by making loans and investments." [4]

Let’s take a closer look at the sword of State the magi use to create their tricks of prestidigitation – the scepter of fractional reserves.

What is meant by fractional reserves? It would seem that reserves are reduced to a fraction, but a fraction of what? Perhaps we should seek the wise counsel of the Federal Reserve, as this is their raison d’etre.

Required Reserve Balances

“Required reserve balances are balances that a depository institution must hold with the Federal Reserve to satisfy its reserve requirement. Reserve requirements are imposed on all depository institutions – which include commercial banks, savings banks, savings and loan associations, and credit unions – as well as U.S. branches and agencies of foreign banks and other domestic banking entities that engage in international transactions.

Since the early 1990s, reserve requirements have been applied only to transaction deposits, which include demand deposits and interest-bearing accounts that offer unlimited checking privileges. An institution’s reserve requirement is a fraction of such deposits; the fraction – the required reserve ratio – is set by the Board of Governors within limits prescribed in the Federal Reserve Act.” [5]

According to the above, the Board of Governors set required reserve balances within limits as prescribed by the Federal Reserve Act that depository institutions must hold on account.

The required reserve ratio is clearly stated to be a fraction of demand deposits and interest-bearing accounts that offer unlimited checking privileges.

Notice the wording “since the early 1990s, reserve requirements have been applied only to transaction deposits”, as such language demonstrates that previous to the early 1990’s reserve requirements were applied to a larger composite – according to the usage of the word “only.”

Which in fact is true, as reserve requirements have been reduced several times since the Fed took control in 1913? A closer look at reserve requirements is in order.

Reserve Requirements

The Federal Reserve has the following to say in regards to reserve requirements:

“Reserve requirements have long been a part of our nation’s banking history. Depository institutions maintain a fraction of certain liabilities in reserve in specified assets. The Federal Reserve can adjust reserve requirements by changing required reserve ratios, the liabilities to which the ratios apply, or both.” [6]

Once again, we see the use of the word “fraction” when discussing reserve requirements, however, we now have the further clarification of reserves in “specified assets.” Obviously, these “specified assets” are critically important, as they are the reserves of our monetary system.

“A depository institution satisfies its reserve requirement by its holdings of vault cash (currency in its vault) and, if vault cash is insufficient to meet the requirement, by the balance maintained directly with a Federal Reserve Bank or indirectly with a pass-through correspondent bank (which in turn hold the balances in its account at the Federal Reserve).” [7]

Now we see that depository institutions satisfy their reserve requirements by holding cash (currency) in their vaults, or if short, they get some help from the Fed or a correspondent bank. The next logical question is: how much cash are they required to have on reserve in their vaults.

From the same Fed publication, we find the following table:

(table didn't come across)

As can be seen from the above chart there isn’t a heck of a lot of reserves on reserve. Three of the five categories listed in the chart have zero (0) reserve requirements. One of the five categories has three (3%) percent reserves, and the remaining category has approximately ten (10%) percent reserve requirements.

So, what are the ramifications of the above listed reserve requirements? From the Fed’s publication, we find the following:

Autonomous Factors

“The supply of balances can vary substantially from day to day because of movements in other items on the Federal Reserve’s balance sheet. These so-called autonomous factors are generally outside the Federal Reserve’s direct day-to-day control.

The largest autonomous factor is Federal Reserve notes. When a depository institution needs currency, it places an order with a Federal Reserve Bank. When the Federal Reserve fills the order, it debits the account of the depository institution at the Federal Reserve, and total Federal Reserve balances decline.

The amount of currency demanded tends to grow over time, in part reflecting increases in nominal spending as the economy grows. Consequently, an increasing volume of balances would be extinguished, and the federal funds rate would rise, if the Federal Reserve did not offset the contraction in balances by purchasing securities. Indeed, the expansion of Federal Reserve notes is the primary reason that the Federal Reserve’s holdings of securities grow over time.” [8]

Federal Reserve notes are those little green pieces of paper we all carry around in our wallet or purse and refer to as cash. A dollar bill is a Federal Reserve note, as are fives, tens, twenties, fifties, and one hundred dollar bills.

From where does the Fed get the Federal Reserve Notes? Good question. Let’s try and find the answer.

Notice in the above quote the last sentence, which reads, “Indeed, the expansion of Federal Reserve notes is the primary reason that the Federal Reserve’s holdings of securities grow over time.”

With the Fed’s holding of securities entering the picture, we now have two questions to answer: Federal Reserve notes come from where; and what securities is the Fed holding due to the expansion of Federal Reserve notes?

The Treasury

The Treasury has a role to play in this monetary game of musical chairs. The Fed has this to say regarding the Treasury:

“Another important factor is the balance in the U.S. Treasury’s account at the Federal Reserve. The Treasury draws on this account to make payments by check or direct deposit for all types of federal spending. When these payments clear, the Treasury’s account is reduced and the account of the depository institution for the person or entity that receives the funds is increased. The Treasury is not a depository institution, so a payment by the Treasury to the public (for example, a Social Security payment) raises the volume of Federal Reserve balances available to depository institutions.” [9]

From this we see that the Treasury has an account at the Federal Reserve, and that the Treasury draws on the account to make payments by check and direct deposit. Where did the Treasury’s account at the Fed come from? Rather than finding answers, we are discovering more questions.

Open Market Operations

“Open market operations are the most powerful and often-used tool for controlling the funds rate. These operations, which are arranged nearly every business day, are designed to bring the supply of Federal Reserve balances in line with the demand for those balances at the FOMC’s target rate.” [10]

The more we look, the greater our task becomes. That is good, as often times its not just the answers that matter, but asking the right questions as well. We are getting warmer by the minute.

“In theory, the Federal Reserve could conduct open market operations by purchasing or selling any type of asset. In practice, however, most assets cannot be traded readily enough to accommodate open market operations. For open market operations to work effectively, the Federal Reserve must be able to buy and sell quickly, at its own convenience, in whatever volume may be needed to keep the federal funds rate at the target level. These conditions require that the instrument it buys or sells be traded in a broad, highly active market that can accommodate the transactions without distortions or disruptions to the market itself. The market for U.S. Treasury securities satisfies these conditions.” [11]

United States Treasury securities are the main market the Fed uses to conduct open market operations. As the money supply continually grows, the buying of Treasury securities by the Fed occurs more often then selling.

Summary To Date

Fractional Reserves refers to monetary reserves required to be on deposit in banks. The reserve requirements go from zero, to 3%, to 10%. Federal Reserve notes (cash) are the predominant reserve deposit. When banks need cash, they go to the Fed. The Fed holds U.S. government securities in its accounts. The U.S. Treasury has an account at the Fed. The Fed conducts open market operation of buying or selling Treasury securities. The remaining questions before us are:

Where does the Fed get the ever-increasing supply of Federal Reserve notes? Where did the Treasury account at the Fed come from? Where The Money Comes From

Trillions of dollars are said to be everywhere. I remember as a kid that a million was a big number. Today billions of dollars are tossed around from computer to computer without the blink of an eye. Trillions are now the topic de jour.

Budgets, deficits, and international money flows are all described using trillions or parts thereof. We have come a long way. The financial wizards circle high above the common man. But perhaps the way so chosen is the wrong way, for the good of all of the people – not just the elite few who control the strings of the purse, and profit thereby.

Let’s go within the Temple of the Wizards of Finance, to see what arts the conjuring is done by, to see what potions and spells are cast within fortune’s cauldron, and what strange brew precipitates there from.

The Beginning

On that fateful day when Federal Reserve Notes were first issued, it is obvious that a huge number of dollar bills had to be printed. Now, the printing press is pretty much obsolete; the only money that actually gets printed is used to replace old and worn Federal Reserve notes already in circulation. In vogue today is electronic money – fast food style.

The process actually begins with the Treasury Department printing a piece of paper called a bond, which is done electronically. Treasury bonds are debt obligations (liability) of the government to repay a loan - with interest.

The Treasury sells bonds to the public. The bonds the public does not buy, the Treasury deposits with the Federal Reserve. When the Fed accepts the bond from the Treasury, it lists the bond on its books as an asset.

The Fed assumes the government will make good on its promise to pay back the loan. This is based on the belief that the government’s power to tax the people is sufficient collateral.

Because the Fed now has an asset that it didn't have before receiving the Treasury bond, the Fed can now create a liability that is offset by its new asset.

The liability that the Fed creates is a Federal Reserve check. It gives the Treasury the check in payment for the Treasury bond.

THERE IS NO EXISTING MONEY IN THE FED'S ACCOUNT TO COVER THIS CHECK.

The Federal Reserve check is endorsed by the Treasury and is deposited in one of the government's accounts at the Federal Reserve. The government can use the deposits to write checks against, to pay for government expenses.

This is the first new money flow to enter the system. Various government contractors, vendors, etc. receive these checks as payment for services rendered, and they take the checks and deposit them in their commercial banks.

The Second Step

This is when the wizards of finance perform their greatest feats of magic. The deposits in the commercial banks take on a sort of split personality or dementia, brought on by a preponderance of delusional thinking.

On the one hand, the deposits are the bank’s liabilities, as they owe the total sums to their depositors.

However, because of FRACTIONAL RESERVE lending, the bankers get to lend out 9 times what they have on deposit.

The commercial banks get to list the deposits as RESERVES.

In other words, FRACTIONAL RESERVE lending allows the commercial banks to create 9 times more money then they have on reserve. The banks lend money they don’t have, and:

They get to charge interest on it.

As the newly issued money is put to work by borrowers, they then spend it and the receiver then deposits it in their bank account, and the bank starts the reserve lending policy all over again. This is why the

Money supply must expand by the amount of interest owed on the debt.

If it didn't, the debt would not be able to be serviced. There is no money created without creating debt, they are one and the same. Wealth is not created by creating money by fiat – only debt. As the Fed has admitted:

"Commercial banks create checkbook money whenever they grant a loan, simply by adding new deposit dollars in accounts on their books in exchange for a borrower's IOU." [12]

Conclusion

Fractional reserve lending invokes the moral hazard of fidelity of contract. Banks have on deposit (reserve) at most 10% of the “money supply.”

This means that if more than 10% of depositors go to the bank at one time to withdraw “our” money – there isn’t any money to withdraw beyond the 10% reserves.

Which means that 90% of the money supply is non-existent, nothing more than a fleeting illusion.

The bank’s solvency stands on the faith that no more than 10% of depositors will want their money at the same time. This means that although

Banks may appear to be solvent – they are without question illiquid.

Fractional reserve lending insures and guarantees that banks cannot possibly be liquid.

Banking is the only type of business that is allowed to function this way. If any other business used a similar modus operandi it would be subject to censor, arrest, court, and possibly imprisonment. Banks cannot fulfill all of their contracts if demand occurred at the same time. Thus, the banks are illiquid.

Why the double standard? Why the dishonesty? Why are they afraid of gold and silver money as the Constitution mandates? Because it would make them tow the line or go bankrupt. Less they forget - be ever mindful - even Zeus cannot deny Destiny.

Coming Soon – Open Letter To Congress Seeking Redress For The Return To Honest Money

[1] John Adams in a letter to Thomas Jefferson [2] Hesiod, Works and Days [3] John Kenneth Galbraith Money: Whence It Came, Where It Went [4] Federal Reserve Bank, New York The Story of Banks, p.5. [5] The Federal Reserve System Purposes and Functions The Implementation of Monetary Policy [6] Same as above [7] Same [8] Same [9] Same [10] Same [11] Same [12] Federal reserve Bank of New York, I Bet You Thought, p.19


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To: american spirit

A banking crisis wouldn't affect cash on hand. If things got to the point where people were no longer accepting cash for payment, I doubt I could obtain the important things - food, shelter, ammunition - with paper or precious metal money.

The underlying collateral of paper money/Federal Reserve Notes is the Treasury debt held by the Federal Reserve. The collateral on this debt is is "the full faith and credit of the American people" or, more precisely, the power of the government to tax those people to pay its obligations. The collateral for the expansion of the money supply caused by the fractional reserve system is the private debt held by the banks that loan out most of their deposits; in other words, that money is secured by your promise to pay your mortgage, John's promise to make his car payment, etc. So the reserves are backed by government debt, while the remainder of the money supply is backed by private debt.


41 posted on 11/29/2005 3:24:44 PM PST by Turbopilot (Nothing in the above post is or should be construed as legal research, analysis, or advice.)
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To: Travis McGee
The "value" of the note would be simply "one ounce of gold" or silver as the case may be. Supply and demand would set the value of the gold ounce.

I thought the advantage of using gold was that the value of the currency would be fixed? If the gold is bouncing around it sounds like you're back to an unstable currency.

42 posted on 11/29/2005 3:44:42 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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To: Turbopilot

My guess is that if problems do occur we'd stand a better chance of obtaining certain goods with gold/silver vs FRN's or stock certificates. What's intriguing here is if you're analysis is correct do we really own anything? Something that's always bothered me is how someone can lose a paid-off house by not paying property taxes........sure those taxes may represent an obligation for which a lien could place against but what gives a gov't taxing unit the right to seize property? Do they have a legitimate claim or are they just taking over something they already own because the peons didn't pay their tribute?


43 posted on 11/29/2005 3:46:53 PM PST by american spirit (Can you handle the truth? - www.rbnlive.com ( 4-6 CST M-F)) / click "listen live")
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To: Toddsterpatriot

No! The value of gold would not "bounce around." It would be worth what people were willing to sell an asset for it, it finds its own level, as TJ says below:

"Specie is the most perfect medium because it will preserve its own level; because, having intrinsic and universal value, it can never die in our hands, and it is the surest resource of reliance in time of war." --Thomas Jefferson to John Wayles Eppes, 1813. ME 13:430


44 posted on 11/29/2005 3:57:17 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Here are some more quotes by that notorious simpleton, Thomas Jefferson. Thank goodness, we are so much smarter than that moron!

"Specie is the most perfect medium because it will preserve its own level; because, having intrinsic and universal value, it can never die in our hands, and it is the surest resource of reliance in time of war." --Thomas Jefferson to John Wayles Eppes, 1813. ME 13:430

"Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1788. ME 7:36

"It is a [disputed] question, whether the circulation of paper, rather than of specie, is a good or an evil... I believe it to be one of those cases where mercantile clamor will bear down reason, until it is corrected by ruin." --Thomas Jefferson to John W. Eppes, 1813. ME 13:409

"That paper money has some advantages is admitted. But that its abuses also are inevitable and, by breaking up the measure of value, makes a lottery of all private property, cannot be denied. --Thomas Jefferson to Josephus B. Stuart, 1817. ME 15:113

"The trifling economy of paper, as a cheaper medium, or its convenience for transmission, weighs nothing in opposition to the advantages of the precious metals... it is liable to be abused, has been, is, and forever will be abused, in every country in which it is permitted." --Thomas Jefferson to John W. Eppes, 1813. ME 13:430

"Scenes are now to take place as will open the eyes of credulity and of insanity itself, to the dangers of a paper medium abandoned to the discretion of avarice and of swindlers." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1814. ME 14:189

"Private fortunes, in the present state of our circulation, are at the mercy of those self-created money lenders, and are prostrated by the floods of nominal money with which their avarice deluges us." --Thomas Jefferson to John W. Eppes, 1813. ME 13:276

"It is a cruel thought, that, when we feel ourselves standing on the firmest ground in every respect, the cursed arts of our secret enemies, combining with other causes, should effect, by depreciating our money, what the open arms of a powerful enemy could not." --Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, 1779. ME 4:298, Papers 2:298

"I now deny [the Federal Government's] power of making paper money or anything else a legal tender." --Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1798. ME 10:65

"A spirit... of gambling in our public paper has seized on too many of our citizens, and we fear it will check our commerce, arts, manufactures, and agriculture, unless stopped." --Thomas Jefferson to William Carmichael, 1791. ME 8:230

"Our public credit is good, but the abundance of paper has produced a spirit of gambling in the funds, which has laid up our ships at the wharves as too slow instruments of profit, and has even disarmed the hand of the tailor of his needle and thimble. They say the evil will cure itself. I wish it may; but I have rarely seen a gamester cured, even by the disasters of his vocation." --Thomas Jefferson to Gouverneur Morris, 1791. ME 8:241

"All the capital employed in paper speculation is barren and useless, producing, like that on a gaming table, no accession to itself, and is withdrawn from commerce and agriculture where it would have produced addition to the common mass... It nourishes in our citizens habits of vice and idleness instead of industry and morality... It has furnished effectual means of corrupting such a portion of the legislature as turns the balance between the honest voters whichever way it is directed." --Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1792. ME 8:344

"We are now taught to believe that legerdemain tricks upon paper can produce as solid wealth as hard labor in the earth. It is vain for common sense to urge that nothing can produce but nothing; that it is an idle dream to believe in a philosopher's stone which is to turn everything into gold, and to redeem man from the original sentence of his Maker, 'in the sweat of his brow shall he eat his bread.'" --Thomas Jefferson to Charles Yancey, 1816. ME 14:381

"The system of banking [I] have... ever reprobated. I contemplate it as a blot left in all our Constitutions, which, if not covered, will end in their destruction, which is already hit by the gamblers in corruption, and is sweeping away in its progress the fortunes and morals of our citizens." --Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816. ME 15:18

"The banks... have the regulation of the safety-valves of our fortunes, and... condense and explode them at their will." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1819. ME 15:224

"I sincerely believe... that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale." --Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816. ME 15:23

"It is said that our paper is as good as silver, because we may have silver for it at the bank where it issues. This is not true. One, two, or three persons might have it; but a general application would soon exhaust their vaults, and leave a ruinous proportion of their paper in its intrinsic worthless form." --Thomas Jefferson to John W. Eppes, 1813. ME 13:426

Many more idiotic quotes by that moron Thomas Jefferson may be found here: HERE.

If you want to get some more laughs, at the expense of that great simpleton. Thank goodness we are SO MUCH SMARTER than him!

45 posted on 11/29/2005 3:58:57 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Turbopilot
And how exactly did that work in Rome, pre-revolutionary France, Weimar Germany and so on?

Surely, you can provide examples of fractional reserve/fiat money systems leading to stability over the long run, without cracking up in ruin and revolution?

46 posted on 11/29/2005 4:04:44 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee
It would be worth what people were willing to sell an asset for it, it finds its own level, as TJ says below

So, does the $500 gold note say, redeemable for 1 oz of gold or does it say $500, redeemable in gold?

47 posted on 11/29/2005 4:35:12 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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To: Travis McGee
Don't you have any quotes by Marx about the gold standard?
48 posted on 11/29/2005 4:35:59 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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To: american spirit

Maybe in certain dire situations gold would be a more useful measure of trade than reserve notes, but if things got that bad I'd guess we'd revert to a pure barter system. I would be surprised if many people would be willing to trade necessities of life for precious metals, if those necessities weren't widely available anyway.

As far as owning personal or real property, I think you may be combining the separate issues of property tax liens and government debt. While I do think the federal debt is too high, it remains at a relatively stable 70% or so of GDP, meaning the country produces more value every year than it owes. This debt/GDP ratio is neither historically high nor is it high in comparison with other first-world industrialized economies. Additionally, a significant fraction of the debt is money the government owns to itself through such vehicles as the Social Security "trust fund"; if the SS program were legislated out of existence tomorrow, trillions of dollars of federal debt would cease to exist. Also, as another poster mentioned, the government does not account for its assets in the same way a private company would. Federal land holdings alone are probably worth more than the outstanding federal debt, if they were to be sold on the open market; the government also owns trillions of dollars of military hardware, commercial space, aircraft, vehicles, etc. Finally, while the government debt is "owned" by the people, creditors (T-bill and other federal security holders) cannot collect that debt directly from the people. The government must raise taxes to pay its debt, and as such it is restricted by the realities of politics and the unpopularity of taxation. So in that sense, the government's debt is both smaller than the nation's economy and cannot be taken directly out of that economy by confiscating private property.

Property taxes are a separate issue. First, it's important to remember that those taxes are levied by states and municipalities, not the federal government, so they are collected and enforced by a whole different sovereign entity (actually, 50 of them). They, along with eminent domain, can reasonably be said to prevent true ownership of real property (although they are generally no longer levied on personal property, as they used to be). However, it is important to remember that there have always been some limits on private property rights; one cannot, for example, use one's property illegally. Also, ownership of property frequently is limited by public easements, separate ownership of mineral or water rights, zoning laws, public airspace ownership, etc. Not every state or city assesses property taxes. But I do disagree with the idea of taxing value rather than profit; in my opinion a more fair method of property taxation would be a capital gains tax on any increase in value on real property upon its sale, with no taxes assessed unless or until that property is sold. That method would bring property taxation in line with taxation of other tradable securities and commodities. But in general I don't think the government really "owns" private property; it assesses taxes and files liens when those taxes go unpaid. The IRS can file liens against property for nonpayment of income taxes, too; it's just that with property tax there is a direct connection between the tax and the lien, so it appears perhaps more sinister than it was meant to be.


49 posted on 11/29/2005 4:42:55 PM PST by Turbopilot (Nothing in the above post is or should be construed as legal research, analysis, or advice.)
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To: Travis McGee
And how exactly did that work in Rome, pre-revolutionary France, Weimar Germany and so on?

It didn't; those nations and times had very different systems. Their money supply was directly controlled by the government, and was increased to pay off debt, rather than controlled to moderate inflation. Rome and 18th-century France existed before any sort of modern understanding of economics or inflationary processes, and Weimar Germany was saddled with enormous debt loads they had no idea how to pay. Since then, Milton Friedman has come along and taught us that inflation is a monetary phenomenon, and our government cannot directly control the money supply to pay off debt; the Federal Reserve controls the money supply, and as they have no interest in debt repayment they are free to target inflation, which they have done successfully for the past 20 years. Also, it should be noted that of your examples, at least Rome was on a gold/silver standard; the emperors just devalued the precious metals as easily as Weimar devalued paper money.

Surely, you can provide examples of fractional reserve/fiat money systems leading to stability over the long run, without cracking up in ruin and revolution?

The United States, 1973-present and continuing. Also all other modern first-world economies. Now, perhaps you can provide examples of nations that sustain modern, growing economies without a banking system or a means to grow faster than the increase in the government's gold supply?
50 posted on 11/29/2005 4:53:35 PM PST by Turbopilot (Nothing in the above post is or should be construed as legal research, analysis, or advice.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Banks don't OWN the loans. They repackaged them into SECURITIES and sold them.


51 posted on 11/29/2005 5:38:00 PM PST by hubbubhubbub
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To: Toddsterpatriot

It's not bad unless you work for a living to earn money. If you're working for something that is non-existent. Why are you working?


52 posted on 11/29/2005 5:41:41 PM PST by hubbubhubbub
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To: Turbopilot

You first two bullets are ass-backwards but good try.


53 posted on 11/29/2005 5:43:42 PM PST by hubbubhubbub
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To: justshutupandtakeit

"Unless the money supply can expand at the rate the economy is expanding it will produce deflation which cripples the economy."

How does deflation cripple the economy??????
Deflation cripples debtors only. For everyone else it raises their standard of living. Why do you think we're buying everything from China??

Delation would cripple the US Government because it is the largest debtor in the history of mankind. Is That Your Point???


54 posted on 11/29/2005 5:48:26 PM PST by hubbubhubbub
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To: hubbubhubbub

The greenback is now called "funny money". For a reason.


55 posted on 11/29/2005 5:51:24 PM PST by cynicom
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To: Travis McGee

TJ is Bookmarked. Thank you. Whenever the conversation turns to finance and banking I find that Freepers aren't so conservative after all.


56 posted on 11/29/2005 5:55:05 PM PST by hubbubhubbub
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To: Turbopilot

"France existed before any sort of modern understanding of economics or inflationary processes"

Huh?????

The Romans were "clipping" coins and adding other metals before stamping their coins around twelve centuries before France. You must be referring to John Law.


57 posted on 11/29/2005 6:00:29 PM PST by hubbubhubbub
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To: cynicom

The greenback is now called "funny money". For a reason.



The joke is on us.


58 posted on 11/29/2005 6:03:15 PM PST by hubbubhubbub
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To: hubbubhubbub
It's not bad unless you work for a living to earn money.If you're working for something that is non-existent.

I don't know what you do for a living but my paycheck isn't nonexistent. Is your money nonexistent?

59 posted on 11/29/2005 6:08:56 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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To: hubbubhubbub

The first bullet is absolutely correct. As for the second, it's true that most new cash that goes to the Fed is for the replacement of currency that has worn out in circulation and is destroyed by the Fed, but there's nothing "backwards" about what I said.


60 posted on 11/29/2005 6:09:52 PM PST by Turbopilot (Nothing in the above post is or should be construed as legal research, analysis, or advice.)
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