Posted on 11/29/2005 5:14:53 AM PST by conservativecorner
In a November 3 column in the Washington Post, Jim Hoagland confirmed that the Joseph Wilson affair was a CIA plot against President Bush. Writing his column in the form of a letter to the President, Hoagland wrote that "The hidden management of the criminal justice process and the news media practiced by spooks in Wilson-Rove-Libbygate is nothing short of brilliant. So you were right to fear the agency."
Think about that statement to the President—"you were right to fear the agency."
(Excerpt) Read more at aim.org ...
"The CIA is completely useless "
wideawake; would that ALL they were was "completely useless". I've felt for some time now that they are much more nefarious - an organization rife with left-wing idealogues.
I am not, by nature, a conspiracy kook, but this one has me frightened. This is an organization that has the ability to effect it's own foreign policy - flying below the radar as it does. By it's very nature, an intelligence organization that is not COMPLETELY DEVOTED to it's Commandeer-in-Chief is DANGEROUS.
Can Goss rescue the President from this den of vipers? I fear not; Goss is too little medicine administered way too late. IMHO, the only solution is to disband the CIA and replace it with another leaner, meaner organization. OR, develop such an organization outside the purview of the CIA, and gradually have it take over it's duties.
I know, I know, it's too far out an idea to be considered helpful, but I am distraught over this. If a President can't trust his own intelligence organization, whom can he trust?
Hey! It sure worked with Teddy, didn't it?
You would think his old man(41) would have enough friends in the CYA to keep things equal. Unless...
ping.
Excerpt from Spy Valerie and the rogue CIA
So why didn’t Mr. Bush clean out the dead wood at CIA?
A reasonable guess is that his father warned against it. George Bush, Sr. is a former CIA Director, after all, and is intimately familiar with its ways. He was a GOP Congressman during Watergate, when Mark Felt destroyed Richard Nixon for thwarting his lifelong ambition to succeed J. Edgar Hoover.
Paraphrasing LBJ’s immortal words, it was smarter to keep the CIA inside the tent pissing out rather than the other way around. So George Tenet wasn’t fired, and as far as we can tell, neither was anybody else. Instead, the President met with Tenet every day for five years to get the latest about al Qaeda, and surely gained a deeper understanding of the intelligence maze at the same time.
The White House has played a very careful poker game since then, picking its cards one by one until it was ready to make the big move. Today, George Tenet is out, State and Defense are in the hands of Bush loyalists, the House and Senate have GOP majorities, and the new CIA Director is not an insider. The CIA itself is now subordinate to the new National Director of Intelligence, John Negroponte, a no-nonsense diplomat in the Kissinger mold. When Goss became Director, Agency bureaucrats complained bitterly to the press. Mr. Bush now holds all the cards, and it is time to play them.
How does one fire a large portion of your intelligence community at such a grave time in history? I can't help but wonder just how many terrorist attacks against Americans have been thwarted by the Bush Administration since September 11th. The President takes the heat, even from us, but I suspect he's been playing an incredible game of Texas Hold em.
This administration should have done to the cia, justice dept., et al, what hillary did to the justice department and the travel office when she took over the whitehouse, replace everyone with like minded people.
Elections won't do anything about an entrenched bureaucracy. Federal employees can't be fired.
Is Patrick Fitzgerald part of that plan? It would seem so as in two years he has turned up little except to indict a man for a 'crime' when there was no crime. Fitzgerald should be investigated for his part in this CIA/Plame/Wilson scam…the prosecutor is wasting time and money on a witch hunt going nowhere – all the facts are here on FR.
[That''s Bush's reward for keeping the Clinton people on at CIA.]
So many conservative pols dance with the devil dems and get their feet crushed and WILL NOT BRING THESE CRIMINALS TO JUSTICE.
[That''s Bush's reward for keeping the Clinton people on at CIA.]
So many conservative pols dance with the devil dems and get their feet crushed and WILL NOT BRING THESE CRIMINALS TO JUSTICE.
Angleton Golytsin bump
The CIA is covering up a cover up and validating that they try to use cheap political sexy tactics to sell "Intel info".
They are liberals, sinners and have a big problem identifying properly people. They follow their basest instincts. It's not good, misidentification breeds paranoia, yet they are the ones calling Angleton a paranoiac who was after "morals", character, "personal values" and not "social values"
That's not quite true. Regular Civil Service protected by tenure can be fired, but it takes immense time and effort on the part of the supervisor and the cards are all stacked in favor of the employee. There are a thousand ways a clever employee can throw it off the track. You can't just fire him because you don't like him, he's "disloyal", or he isn't doing the job you want the way you want it. Usually the problem is "solved" the easiest way by getting him transferred to some other poor schmuck's domain.
On the other hand, federal political appointees can be fired. But this Administration doesn't seem to have learned that trick yet.
Sad, but true.
Never trust a spy. The CIA betrays its own country.
An eye opener for me. But do you expect to see it raised anywhere else in the MSM? Not likely. And Hoagland's solution is a non-solution. The only problem with conservatives raising hell in Congress, even if they had the balls to do so, is that they would look like wild-eyed conspiracy therorists instead of truth-tellers. I don't look for that to happen.
There's no benefit to the administrator from firing a non-performing employee. The result is, they're just moved aside and someone else is hired to do their work.
And will they? Think of what the CIA has on just about every politician in this country that they need to keep in their pockets. It will take an honest man like a Coburn or a Weldon to take those pinheads on. But most Congresscritters are corrupt themselves.
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