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To: Eaglewatcher

The income tax is not meant to help the economy. It is meant to scare people out of their money to help the homeless, threaten you with jail, buy votes, and support the democratic vote base. It has nothing to do with actually helping America or Americans. Only with buying votes for the democrats. Remember, a democrat started it, said it would go away after the war. That was 60 plus years ago, and that baby is still growing.


3 posted on 11/28/2005 1:49:08 PM PST by RetiredArmy (I have no faith in any politician or political party any more. They all lie for their agendas.)
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To: RetiredArmy

The income tax is one of the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto.


6 posted on 11/28/2005 1:54:33 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: RetiredArmy

ditto
I can't top that


7 posted on 11/28/2005 1:55:10 PM PST by sopwith (don't tread on me)
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To: RetiredArmy

Yep. It works against the economy.

I imagine that it's going to take the passing of the baby boomers and their parents, if we last that long, before we are able to take an honest accounting of the tax system in this country.


9 posted on 11/28/2005 2:11:12 PM PST by kenth (Come back here... so that I may brain thee!)
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To: RetiredArmy
Remember, a democrat started it, said it would go away after the war. That was 60 plus years ago, and that baby is still growing.

Actually it started before the war and was promised to only affect the rich, the rich at that time earned about 5000 per year. It was a flat tax and was perverted into the sliding scale during WWII and that was promised to end at the end of the war but it took up until the 80s for it to change at all. The upper bracket at the time of the end of the war was 90 percent!

This is why us old timers are against a flat tax and want a new system. We have seen what happens if any income tax at all is in place. It will eventually return to what we have now. Fair tax or the equivalent is the only way to go.

23 posted on 11/28/2005 5:50:30 PM PST by calex59 (Seeing the light shouldn't make you blind...)
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To: RetiredArmy

I have not seen any of our Republican friends doing anything to get rid of the income tax. We get BS about cutting this exemption and loosening that one. All they are doing is shifting the numbers around. There will never be any tax repealed in this country unless we sweep every one of them out of office every election cycle for the next 24 years. I noticed how our GOP leadership would not cut any pork out of the budget to pay for this hurricane relief.


28 posted on 11/28/2005 6:30:35 PM PST by satchmodog9 ( Seventy million spent on the lefts Christmas present and all they got was a Scooter)
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To: RetiredArmy; Your Nightmare; pigdog; Always Right; ancient_geezer; Principled; Taxman; Bigun; ...
Actually the income tax began as a Constitutional amendment in 1913 and was sold to the voters as a tax on the very top tier of income earners. The "tax" you speak of is the act of withholding portions of a paycheck to prepay the income tax. It was sold as a war measure and the country was assured it would be repealed after the war.

Now we know that both were lies. Maybe not lies when they were told but lies manifested none the less. It is up to us, the people, to do something. There are representatives in congress and the Senate who are sponsoring the fair tax.

There is a huge bureaucracy in Washington and Virginia that feasts off of the tax receipts from the hard working people in this country. They are career slum lords overseeing their real estate for profit only, not for the betterment of their tenants. This huge bureauracy, unelected, is the tyranny that Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Mason et.al. warned us about. They are bloodsuckers and do not have our interests at heart. They only understand power.

Though unelected they wield considerable power as we can see every day with the major cabinet offices. We, as productive citizens are subject to the whims of millions of unnecessary regulations that bind our creative abilities like tethered sheep.

This bureaucratic morass is extremely entwined with the so called "K-Street" gang of lobbyists who spend millions of dollars of corporate money (the money we all earn for statists corporations as their loyal servants) to bribe the very people we send to congress to clean up the mess. Congress, on the other hand, is strapped by a wicked news media who have decided that the truth lies in government and we should all be a collective bunch of sissies. If any story depicts an individual accomplishment it is spiked in favor of an individual accomplishing because of a government program. You know the drill.

The fair tax, whether you agree with it or not, is at least a step toward ridding ourselves of what has become a hundred times worse than King George's tax on tea. If you don't agree with it please tell the rest of us how we can get rid of K-Street and its intertwined bureaucracy.

Otherwise, shut the hell up and go home.

31 posted on 11/28/2005 7:27:50 PM PST by groanup (shred for Ian)
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To: RetiredArmy; All
Remember, a democrat started it, said it would go away after the war.

Anyone have a source for that? I have always heard this but never saw any quotes about it.

62 posted on 11/30/2005 1:47:09 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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