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Posted on 11/28/2005 12:28:57 PM PST by saganite
WINNIPEG, MANITOBA, CANADA -- Innovative Hydrogen Solutions, Inc. (IHS) of Canada has been developing an electrolysis unit that extracts hydrogen and oxygen from water and adds it into the air intake of a vehicle, to increase fuel economy by anywhere between 10% and 30%, depending on the vehicle. Other benefits cited include reduced emissions, increased torque and prolonged engine life -- all from a device which they call the H2 N-Gen™.
Apparently, the hydrogen enables a more complete burn of the fuel, whether it be gasoline, diesel, propane or natural gas.
While they are presently targeting the trucking industry, they envision this technology to apply to "any internal combustion engine," not just of vehicles and trains, but of generators, such as are found in some municipal power plants.
IHS is aiming for March of 2006 to have full production of the device they call the H2 N-Gen™. Presently, they are beta testing it on numerous cars, trucks, and other engines, such as a lawn mower. A Jeep Cherokee 2000 driven by IHS vice president, Jon Joseph, has seen a 30% mileage improvement with the addition of the H2 N-Gen™ unit. He said he can put his hand on the tail pipe even after hours of driving, because the engine is running so efficiently.
Inventor Tim Bodgers says semi trucks see around 10% improvement in their mileage using the H2 N-Gen™.
According to the IHS website, this module is "engineered to operate in various environments, being able to sustain operation in Equatorial, Tropical, Temperate, and Sub-Arctic climates, and handle shock and vibration conditions resulting from regular vehicular traffic on roads and highways." (Ref.) While claiming that they have run the device at -60ºC (~-90ºF), they do not explain how they will prevent the water from freezing in those conditions when the engine is not warm.
While the H2 N-Gen™ presently requires regular distilled water fill-ups, IHS is fine-tuning a method that would distill water from the air, so that the unit would require no such maintenance, but could be a plug-and-go type of add-on. With no moving parts, the maintenance is low.
Because water is a byproduct of hydrogen combustion, the water component is in a "closed loop" cycle, with no net gain or loss from the environment.
The H2 N-Gen™ draws about 13 amps from the battery to run its electrolysis. The low volume of hydrogen created, and its low atmospheric pressure, make it "impossible to detonate" in the case of a leak or accident.
They have tested an array of catalysts, including potassium hydroxide. The process "is not precious-metal dependant," but uses materials that are ubiquitously available.
As of Sept. 9, 2005, IHS's combustion-enhancement and emissions-reduction technology received independent laboratory certification by Wardrup Engineering. IHS is also pursuing additional independent testing.
Bodgers teamed up with Joe Williams, Sr., CEO, to advance the technology. Various members of the company commenced the research and development in 1994, and have spent nearly $7.5 million in the process.
Anticipating a price in the range of $3 to $4,000 to equip a transport truck, IHS expects the pay-back time to be around eight months for large, commercial vehicles. The unit down-sized for SUVs is expected to cost around $1000.
"Down the road, it will be a lot cheaper," once production quantities are high enough, said Bodgers.
He said he can put his hand on the tail pipe even after hours of driving, because the engine is running so efficiently.
Shouldn't a "more complete burn" result in more heat? Something doesn't seem to add up here.
Break water, burn the H2, then get back the water? Where's the energy coming from, then?
It's a high feasible and efficient way to separate scientifically ignorant suckers from their money.
-b-
LOL! I expected your presence here and I'm not disappointed. Can you break down your analysis a little more?
Atomic possum had it about right.
these types of crackpot ideas come out every time gas prices go up. I've seen all sorts of gizmos that promise to improve mileage. none really work.
putting water into gas doesn't make a lot of sense, but I have seen folks who swear by these things.
the words "Crack" and "pot" seem to fit.
>>It's a high feasible and efficient way to separate scientifically ignorant suckers from their money.
Bingo! That was my initial reaction as well.
Looks like a variation on the "vortex generator" on the intake, or the "electric turbocharger" hair dryer nonsense.
> OK techies. What do you think? Feasible?
It's clear that at least two well-known scientific
principles are at work here:
1. Placebo Effect
2. Observer Bias
>> The H2 N-Gen™ draws about 13 amps from the battery
>> to run its electrolysis.
And how mnay mpg does that subtract from the gain?
As I understand the laws of thermodynamics,
this can't work. Those laws are:
* You can't win.
* You can't break even.
* You can't get out of the game.
Aside from the claims about the device itself is there any crdibility to the claim that injecting hydrogen into the fuel mixture will improve combustion?
It sounds like all they are doing is adding some hydrogen gas to the air being injected into the combustion chamber.
If this device works, then you don't need to use electrolysis to generate the hydrogen. You could just hook up cylinder of hydrogen, especially since we are talking about a "low volume of hydrogen."
I have never heard of anybody increasing fuel economy by adding hydrogen gas to the intake of a gasoline engine.
This is an obvious hoax.
I can't see why it would. In fact, from what I've read, hydrogen internal combustion engines have a problem with 'pre-detonation' - knocking - and so I'd expect adding hydrogen to the fuel mixture would lower the octane rating, making energy conversion less efficient.
"He said he can put his hand on the tail pipe even after hours of driving, because the engine is running so efficiently."
BS. There is NO WAY I can take any of this seriously after reading that line.
They're just doing this to prevent me from patenting my carburetor that burns water.
how about this.....you set up a solar electrolisis unit at your home....it produces the 2 gases and isolates them into tanks....at home you pump them into tanks on your vehicle and they are somehow introduced into your plenum and or injectors, along with the normal ambient air and gasoline.
Just a thought.
"Break water, burn the H2, then get back the water? Where's the energy coming from, then?"
They make it up in volume......
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