Posted on 11/28/2005 11:20:38 AM PST by JZelle
The Mormon church arranged for a Utah senator to write a law to shield churches from prosecution for knowingly allowing illegal aliens to be ministers or do volunteer missionary work for them. Kim Farah, a spokeswoman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, released a statement saying the church asked Sen. Robert F. Bennett, Utah Republican, to sponsor the provision, which she called a "narrow exception to the immigration act." "The law permits churches to use the volunteer services of their undocumented members by insulating the churches from criminal sanctions for doing so," she said. She said she would not answer any further questions, including why the church needs access to illegal alien volunteers. But now the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) says it wants to revisit the provision and Rep. Tom Tancredo, Colorado Republican, has introduced a bill to repeal the exception. "It removes an important legal tool for law enforcement and at the same time allows groups that would do us harm to legally conceal and transport people whom they know are in the United States illegally," Mr. Tancredo said in a letter asking Mr. Bennett to undo the measure.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
No need to slam Mormons. Of course what they believe is entirely different.
Beliefs of Mormonism
1. “In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 349)
2. “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man…”(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345)
3. “The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangilble as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Spirit has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit…” (Doctrine and Covenants, 130:22)
4. “God exists and we had better strive to be prepared to be one with them” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 7:238)
5. “As man is, God once was: as God is, man may become” (Prophet Lorenzo Snow, quotedin Milton R. Hunter, The Gospel Through the Ages, 105-106)
6. Remember that God, our heavenly Father, was perhaps once a child, and mortal like we ourselves, and rose step by step in the scale of progress, in the school of advancement; has moved forward and overcome, until He has arrived at the point where He now is” (Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, 1:123)
7. “Mormon prophets have continuously taught the sublime truth that God the Eternal Father was once a mortal man who passed through a school of earth life similar to that through which we are now passing. He became God—an exalted being—through obedience to the same eternal Gospel truths that we are given opportunity today to obey” (Hunter, op.cit., 104)
8. When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one his wives, with him. He helped to make and organized this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! About whom holy men have written and spoken—He is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom we have to do” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 1:50)[6]
Jesus is the brother of Satan this is revealed in the Pearl of Great Price, Book of Moses 4:1-4 and affirmed by Brigham Young in the Journal of Discourses, 13:282)
Jesus also married Mary and Martha and the other Mary at Cana of Galilee, “Whereby he could see his seed, before he was crucified” (Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, 4:259; 2:82)
God is everywhere present; but this does not mean the the actual person of any one member of the Godhead can be physically present in more than one place at one time….Admitting the personality of God, we are compelled to accept the fact of his materiality; indeed an immaterial being, under which meaningless name some have sought to designate the condition of God, cannot exist, for the very expression is a contradiction in terms. If God possesses a form, that form is of necessity of definite proportions and therefore of limited extension in space. It is impossible for Him to occupy at one time more than one space of such limits (Articles of Faith, 42-43)
This contradicts the doctrine of the Holy Ghost in Articles of faith 115 which states the Holy Spirit is an immaterial Spirit and yet God.
Satan and Jesus are brothers and both offered competing plans of Salvation to the father on the great star Kolob, Jesus plan was accepted and Lucifer’s rejected this can be found in the Journal of Discourses 13:282.
Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes, whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the prophets, seers, and revelators of the Church is cultivation the spirit of apostasy…Lucifer…wins a great victory when he can get members of the Church to speak against their leaders and to do their own thinking…
When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. When they propose a plan—it is God’s plan. When they point the way, there is no other which is safe. When they give directions, it should mark the end of the controversy. (Improvement Era, June 1945, p. 354)
And this is just a smattering of what one discovers if they are interested in Mormonism.
Reid and Hatch are not examples of your average Mormon. Would you hold up Ted Kennedy as an example of what Catholics are?
The LDS Church teaching, and the vast majority of members, are very much social conservatives. Mormons overwhelmingly vote Republican as well, check the election resutls for Utah.
Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!
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"Jesus Hernandez believed in the system. He trusted that men and women in power, many of whom belonged to his religion, would help him.
When the system seemed to fail him, he felt insulted and betrayed. Pushed to the brink, he finally snapped."
The difference is that there is no money motive at all in volunteer work. There are no paid ministers or missionaries so nobody is being potentially deprived of any income.
In many cases these persons wanting to server missions are in the USA illegally because their parents snuck them in years ago when they were kids. I fail to see how anyone is harmed by this.
No money motive?
The church gets free labor (which it apparently can't get without employing illegals), the illegals get further entrenched in this country, and you say there's no money motive?
First of all, can you guarantee that the illegals that the LDS Church is using won't get any welfare benefits, public schooling, or other social money? How are these illegals supporting themselves?
Second, even if that's true, what right does the Church have to flout immigration laws? What puts the Church above our laws?
You should check out how they vote in the houses!
If, per the article, this provision also covers "volunteers" who are being provided with room, board, and living expenses, then it's the equivalent of employment for many low wage and especially illegal immigrant workers. And since going to a foreign country on a mission is a very positive experience for many young Mormons, why the heck can't the here-because-their-parents-brought-them illegals be sent on missions in their own countries? Funny, but the LDS Church has a policy of absolutely toeing the line when it comes to respecting all the laws of other countries, including foregoing any missionary work in countries where it's illegal (including most of the Arab world). Isn't it a bit hypocritical of them to play fast and loose with U.S. laws?
Per my previous post, I'd have no problem with this law being applied to really casual, no compensation of any kind, volunteers, primarily because it's unreasonable to expect churches to perform full background checks on everybody who walks in the door (and in the LDS Church, everybody who walks in the door will promptly be given some volunteer work to do).
I could write a book about the short-sighted jackasses who voted this measure into law without the forethought that terrorist-loving cults would/could use it to gain access to American strategic interests.
With "leaders" like those, America is certainly in trouble.
Since this article and thread are about the LDS Church and their activities/attitudes relating to illegal immigration, why did you post the article? Did you just get it into the wrong thread? What was your point?
"No need to slam Mormons."
Oh? When why post a long list of things that you clearly think will promote a negative view of Mormonism? (A list that is mostly taken from invalid sources like the Journal of Discourses) Your adgenda is pretty clear and it doesn't belong here.
If you want a thread to discuss, argue, or citisize LDS teachings, go start one in the religion forum, don't hijack this thread.
Yawn. Please take your anti-Mormon propaganda to the Religion forum. There, you can debate to your heart's content with the rest of the "my religion's right and everybody else's is evil" crowd.
You beat me to it :-)
Tell that to all the Christian missionaries in North Korea.
The point is...
He was sponsored by the Church to serve a mission in Pennsylvania. This granted him access to the United States. He believed he would come to Utah to work and earn an honest living, but he was taken advantage of by a dishonest contractor. He recieved no help from the Church (as he assumed he would.)
He took matters into his own hands and committed a murder. Do you honestly believe the Church played NO PART in this tragedy? (I assume your answer will be yes....in that case our conversation is at an end.)
Good to see such honest and open-minded discussion on FR. ;-)
Propaganda is issuing false hoods/lies. Since when do facts get relegated to propaganda?
I guess there are exceptions, aren't they?
My bad....
But hopefully America is nowhere close to being like NK...
I would hope they also encourage obeying laws as part of a Christian lifestyle. If that is what they claim, then they shouldn't be encouraging illegal aliens to remain in this country illegally.
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