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2nd KU class denies status of science to design theory
Lawrence Journal-World ^ | Sunday, November 27, 2005 | Sophia Maines

Posted on 11/28/2005 6:54:46 AM PST by Right Wing Professor

Intelligent design — already the planned subject of a controversial Kansas University seminar this spring — will make its way into a second KU classroom in the fall, this time labeled as a “pseudoscience.”

In addition to intelligent design, the class Archaeological Myths and Realities will cover such topics as UFOs, crop circles, extrasensory perception and the ancient pyramids.

John Hoopes, associate professor of anthropology, said the course focused on critical thinking and taught how to differentiate science and “pseudoscience.” Intelligent design belongs in the second category, he said, because it cannot be tested and proven false.

“I think this is very important for students to be articulate about — they need to be able to define and recognize pseudoscience,” Hoopes said.

News of the new class provided fresh fuel to conservatives already angered that KU planned to offer a religious studies class this spring on intelligent design as “mythology.”

“The two areas that KU is trying to box this issue into are completely inappropriate,” said Brian Sandefur, a mechanical engineer in Lawrence who has been a vocal proponent of intelligent design.

Intelligent design is the idea that life is too complex to have evolved without a “designer,” presumably a god or other supernatural being. That concept is at the heart of Kansas’ new public school science standards — greatly ridiculed by the mainstream science community but lauded by religious conservatives — that critique the theory of evolution.

Hoopes said his class would be a version of another course, titled Fantastic Archaeology, which he helped develop as a graduate student at Harvard University.

The course will look at the myths people have created to explain mysterious occurrences, such as crop circles, which some speculate were caused by extraterrestrials.

The course will explore how myth can be created to negative effects, as in the case of the “myth of the moundbuilders.” In early American history, some people believed the earthen mounds found primarily in the area of the Ohio and Mississippi river valleys were the works of an ancient civilization destroyed by American Indians. The myth contributed to the Indian Removal Act of 1830, which relocated American Indians east of the Mississippi to lands in the west, Hoopes said.

“It was that popular explanation that then became a cause for genocide,” Hoopes said.

That example shows the need to identify pseudoscience, he said.

“What I’m trying to do is deal with pseudoscience regardless of where it’s coming from,” he said.

But Sandefur said intelligent design was rooted in chemistry and molecular biology, not religion, and it should be discussed in science courses.

“The way KU is addressing it I think is completely inadequate,” he said.

Hoopes said he hoped his class stirs controversy. He said students liked to discuss topics that are current and relevant to their lives.

“Controversy makes people think,” he said. “The more controversy, the stronger the course is.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: crevolist; evofreaks; evolution; highereducation; idiocy; ignoranceisstrength; ku; pseudoscience; science; scienceeducation
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To: moog; Coyoteman
The beauty of a pun is in the "Oy" of the beholder. Guess some of those guys in the Bible did a lot of puns then

It's the Oy Vey

541 posted on 11/28/2005 6:50:38 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Paging Nehemiah Scudder:the Crazy Years are peaking. America is ready for you.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

It's the Oy Vey
Yep.


542 posted on 11/28/2005 6:51:29 PM PST by moog
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To: eleni121
You know, "evo cliches" could be a great game-- you've come up with one, I'll do some heavy reading and see if I can't one up your credibility quote. BTW--I've heard that one (you've lost all credibility, Clingon!) before, too.
543 posted on 11/28/2005 6:52:04 PM PST by Mamzelle (ps--you just blew any credibility you may have had!)
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To: moog

--sorry.

It kept evolving as I wrote, and I could not stop it. :)


544 posted on 11/28/2005 6:54:43 PM PST by lonestar67
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To: lonestar67

It kept evolving as I wrote, and I could not stop it.

And it sent my head "revolving." :)


545 posted on 11/28/2005 6:56:02 PM PST by moog
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To: moog
One more before I go shave. This stuff is getting so extreme, some folks will probably be doing their awful puns in poetry next.

A clear case of going from bad to verse.

546 posted on 11/28/2005 7:00:16 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: PhilipFreneau
It is settled only for a strict constructionist in the mold of Thomas Jefferson; not for a one who believes the constitution is a "living document" (which means the constitution is a worthless piece of paper). I assume you believe the latter.

So then you think Plessy vs. Ferguson should have been upheld in Brown vs. Board of Education, and that racially separate schools are OK?

547 posted on 11/28/2005 7:00:26 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: moog

Ok I'm going. You can start posting again.


548 posted on 11/28/2005 7:00:35 PM PST by moog
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To: Coyoteman

A clear case of going from bad to verse.

Better than the re-verse. :)


549 posted on 11/28/2005 7:02:25 PM PST by moog
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To: PhilipFreneau
aNYCguy: Can you explain in your own words why Behe's "irreducible complexity" idea poses a problem for evolution?

PhilipFreneau: I can only explain it in the words of Darwin himself... "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." - Charles Darwin

I think you may just have earned the coveted

WTF????

award.
550 posted on 11/28/2005 7:03:14 PM PST by aNYCguy
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To: PhilipFreneau
There are many, some traditionally referred to as Black Boxes.

That's not what I asked. I asked you to name one. If there are many in the article you cited, pick one.

551 posted on 11/28/2005 7:03:20 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Coyoteman

It could lead to an ad-verse situation of the in-verse puns. Maybe sub-versial ones are better. They are a little below the normal pun. The con-verse ones are more on the ball though.


552 posted on 11/28/2005 7:04:48 PM PST by moog
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To: js1138
[Quarks, gluons...] These are not changes to quantum theory. These are models.

I was wondering about that after I posted - the things I listed are more analogous to finding new species as opposed to changing the ToE.

All the same, fractional electric charges, even if they obey the wave equations and so forth, are something that, AFAIK, wasn't expected or even conjectured until way after 1928.

Does quark confinement require any changed to the theory?

553 posted on 11/28/2005 7:09:58 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: eleni121
How about this one for our evo-cliche archives---"I think you may just have earned the coveted WTF???? award."

Such pith. Such wit. So full of--

554 posted on 11/28/2005 7:13:38 PM PST by Mamzelle (ps--you just blew any credibility you may have had!)
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To: PhilipFreneau
How about this statement by you in post #52: "I'm a believer in human freedom in general and the US Constitution in particular. The actions of the Kansas School Board infroinge on both."

How does my expressing an opinion impose my views on anyone? It appears you believe that my simply stating my views is impermissible.

That is pure secularism. You have also bought into the secular myth that the 14th Amendment over-ruled the religious clause of the 1st, even though there is an 1892 Supreme Court precendent which contradicts that myth.

There is no such precedent; see Senator Bedfellow's post.

But in any case, even if I were wrong in my opinion, how have I imposed my wrong opinion on anyone?

I am no egotist, so no apology is necessary.

"No apology is necessary"? What a pathetic construction - the usage of one who is neither man enough to apologize, nor man enough to refuse.

555 posted on 11/28/2005 7:15:21 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

But I'm sure you'll be man enough to ignore him.


556 posted on 11/28/2005 7:17:47 PM PST by Mamzelle (ps--you just blew any credibility you may have had!)
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To: garybob
You either have chance or design.

We call that a dichotomy.

557 posted on 11/28/2005 7:17:59 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Mikey_1962
"ID belongs in a Comparative Religion class."

Maybe so. For sure Darwin does.

558 posted on 11/28/2005 7:18:59 PM PST by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

>>>"Obiter dicta from an immigration case/contract dispute. LOL. You'll excuse me if I'm not impressed by the heft of such a citation, seeing as how it has absolutely zero legal meaning."<<<

I am surprised that statements from the ruling, such as the following, are unconvincing:

"These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. In the face of all these, shall it be believed that a congress of the United States intended to make it a misdemeanor for a church of this country to contract for the services of a Christian minister residing in another nation?"

Maybe Reynolds vs. United States of 1878 would be more convincing.


559 posted on 11/28/2005 7:21:17 PM PST by PhilipFreneau ("The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. " - Psalms 14:1, 53:1)
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To: Right Wing Professor
"Intelligent design belongs in the second category, he said, because it cannot be tested and proven false. "

Ironically, according to his criteria, The Theory of Evolution must belong in the same category as I.D.

560 posted on 11/28/2005 7:21:39 PM PST by I'm ALL Right! (WWW.ENDOFTHESPEAR.COM - A True Story. In theaters Jan 20, 2006. Click my profile.)
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