Posted on 11/27/2005 8:28:54 PM PST by Icelander
Thanks for the info in posts 73 and 74. Very enlightening.
Tancredo has simply inheritied the Buchanan Bridgades on FR. The same people who were pro-Buchanan and anti-Bush are the same ones that make up the Tancredo Cult. But watch out because they are a vicious bunch who will add you to the "FR hit list" they maintain on another forum.
For some reason they cannot realize that some people just do not like the man because he does act like the "Jesse Jackson of the right". It has nothing to do with his message.
So who is your choice then as the "right messenger" if not Tancredo? I'm not totally enamored with Tancredo yet at this time, but so far he seems to be the ONLY major Republican politician that is willing to tee up this critical issue. I sure as heck will vote for Tancredo in the state caucuses rather than the left-wing MSM darlings McVain or Guiliani.
Agreed
2. Tancredo is the wrong messenger because he cannot win national office. (Name one member of the U.S. House of Representatives who has ascended directly to the presidency without serving as a governor or senator first).
Your only argument is that he cannot win the presidency due to the fact that he has not been a Governor or senator first.. Ok I am sure that there might be one that has like George Washington. That being said what is to stop him from being the first. The political landscape is getting so politically charged that I don't think the old standards for electing President such as you point out will stand long. History can be made. On that note is there another argument that you have as to why Tancredo cannot become President?
3. The best way to achieve a win on the immigration issue is to persuade those GOP candidates who have a real chance of winning the presidency to adopt/co-opt Tancredo's stance on immigration.
See my above argument...Tancredo has the cajones to be a firebrand and step outside party lines.. The future of politics lies in people like this... Dare I say Arnold in California is an example..(I don't agree with some of his politics but I don't consider him a typical politician.) And no current politician is going to risk his votes to co-op the ideas of Tancredo.. to many of them are concern about the next election cycle not what is right for their constituents.
This memorial was taken out of context and demaguaged by some. It was never meant as a 'red crescent':
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05253/569055.stm
Eight family members served on the second-stage jury that selected the final memorial design.
But Tom Sokolowski, the director of the Andy Warhol Museum, and one of the Stage II jury members, said that claim is "asinine."
"If the families of the 40 people who were killed felt this was an appropriate symbol to honor their loved ones, then I think he is delusional," he said. "To take this small-minded, bigoted view is disgusting and repellent."
Confucius taught that a gentleman does not connect the message to a messenger, or the messenger to a message. And the correctness of the message is breathtakingly self-evident.
bttt
I know the first picture is bull. I'm guessing the last one is sh--.
Where did this little nugget come from?
I'm going to deal with this part first, because so far, this is the first time you've actually put forth an argument. Looks like now we can finally talk.
2. Tancredo is the wrong messenger because he cannot win national office. (Name one member of the U.S. House of Representatives who has ascended directly to the presidency without serving as a governor or senator first).
I don't see what that has to do with anything. Presidents don't come around very often in the first place, so there's just not enough of a statistical sample to say what factors would and would not predict victory. And even where there is a statistical correlation, correlation does not equal causation.
But to even begin to establish a statistical correlation, you'd first have to examine how many Congressmen have even run for office, and who've staked out a policy position for themselves that resonates with such a large number of voters, and which the other candidates have barely touched on, if at all.
3. The best way to achieve a win on the immigration issue is to persuade those GOP candidates who have a real chance of winning the presidency to adopt/co-opt Tancredo's stance on immigration.
And about the best way to persuade them of that is to have someone like Tancredo hanging over their heads. Otherwise, they're just not going to listen. If they were inclined to listen, they'd already be doing what the vast majority of the American people expect of them on this issue.
I'm not saying to definitely vote for him, but he shouldn't be written off so early, because at the very least, he's extremely useful for putting serious pressure on the other guys.
Confucius never ran for public office. The wrong messenger takes a job like Karl Rove or Dick Morris because they know they could never win the presidency despite their political acumen.
It's Sadr, who is a Shi'ite.
Hush your mouth!! ;)
It's a pure unadulterated lie. SOP for that one.
I am sure it is, but if he is going to throw that info out... just like everything else here I want to see is source of this fact so I can judge its validity for myself... if there is no source for it then it is no more then rhetoric.
Confucius did have public office once - as a sort of deputy police commissioner. And somebody HAS TO FORCE the more traditional politicians to deal with the issue - which, if left to themselves, they never will [look at GWB and you need not look any further]. Thus Tom Tancredo plays an absolutely positive and necessary role. If he did not exist, someone would have to invent him.
lol, I never heard of the Buchanon Brigades...
Actually, although I disagree with Buchanon on a good deal, I have always found him to be polite and rational about his opinions. I actually agree with his assessment of the first World War and some of what he has said about the second World War.
Course, I can't say I am an anywhere near an expert on Buchanon or his past statements and arguments, maybe I'm wrong...
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