Abe Lincoln and the media

[Mier]

While all the anti war cowards were screaming for Bush to cut and run and our willing accomplice main stream media acting like kids in a candy store. I heard someone on talk radio say that during the civil war Lincoln had his media detracters thrown in the bottom of a war ship until the war was over. But I can't find any facts on-line to back it up. Does any one know where I might go to find information on this? I mentioned this to a (left wing co-worker) and he thinks I made it up. I sure would like to prove him wrong! Any information on this would be greatly appreciated.

[Non-Sequitur]

Finish your story. Taney was never arrested, but he WOULD HAVE BEEN in the Confederacy.

In all fairness we need to point out that the chief justice of the confederate supreme court was in no danger of being jailed by the Davis regime. Of course that is because there was no confederate supreme court, despite the fact that their constitution required one.

In a 1865 decision, one of the many administration actions that was taken before the Supreme Court, Lambden Milligan was set free when it was ruled that habeas corpus could not be suspended in areas where the courts operated freely. In the south under Jefferson Davis, Bubba Milligan would have been executed because habeas corpus had been suspended all through the south and there was no judicial appeal available to him.

[canalabamian]

See #4. Thanks.

[papertyger]

In the south under Jefferson Davis, Bubba Milligan would have been executed because habeas corpus had been suspended all through the south and there was no judicial appeal available to him.

Did they really do that? I mean kill people in those circumstances.

[TexConfederate1861]

You know that isn't true Noni.....
Read ALL the Links. (and the direct quotes) disprove them FIRST before spewing your usual hogwash.......

[TexConfederate1861]

What bullsh*t!

Lew Rockwell is not racist in the least, only right-wing, and highly conservative. DISPROVE them first.
Liberals and Lincoln-Lovers don't like the sight for obvious reasons...could you be one of that crowd perhaps?
Hmmmmmmmm?

[papertyger]

Now I'm confused.

You seem to be saying the Confederacy was bad for not having HC, and the Union was good for having it, even though they didn't practice it in Milligan until forced to by the SC after the end of hostilities.

Isn't that like a person in a line being critical of the guy behind him because he won't obtain whatever they are in line for until after the critic?

[papertyger]

Now I'm confused.

You seem to be saying the Confederacy was bad for not having HC, and the Union was good for having it, even though they didn't practice it in Milligan until forced to by the SC after the end of hostilities.

Isn't that like a person in a line being critical of the guy behind him because he won't obtain whatever they are in line for until after the critic?

[papertyger]

DISPROVE them first. Liberals and Lincoln-Lovers don't like the sight for obvious reasons...could you be one of that crowd perhaps? Hmmmmmmmm?

I gotta wonder about this.

I really didn't see anything that could be called a refutation, and even that Claremont review you sent me to says your biggest fault is being "in the tank" for Lincoln.

[Non-Sequitur]

Did they really do that? I mean kill people in those circumstances.

Milligan was convicted but a military court and sentenced to hang for being part of a plot to steal weapons from the army and then attack POW camps and free their prisoners. I'm not aware of any similar plans on the part of southern citizens, but all things being equal I would be surprised if the sentence wouldn't have been the same from a confederate tribunal.

[Non-Sequitur]

Read ALL the Links. (and the direct quotes) disprove them FIRST before spewing your usual hogwash.......

The usual hogwash appeared when people started quoting Terrible Tommy DiLorenzo. It isn't hard to refute that slop.

[Non-Sequitur]

You seem to be saying the Confederacy was bad for not having HC, and the Union was good for having it, even though they didn't practice it in Milligan until forced to by the SC after the end of hostilities.

I must have missed the part where I said that. Both the Lincoln Administration and the Davis regime suspended habeas corpus during the course of the rebellion. But while those in the Union had the Supreme Court to appeal their case to prisoners in the South had no such protections. Even though the confederate constitution required one.

[papertyger]

I must have missed the part where I said that. ... But while those in the Union had the Supreme Court to appeal their case to prisoners in the South had no such protections. Even though the confederate constitution required one.

Well, you didn't say that; I'm just trying to make sense of what you did say.

I just don't understand how you can make hay over the Confederacy not fulfilling one of the requirements of its constitution, as a fledgling state, when the Union, as an established state, didn't have a SCOTUS review until after the end of hostilities.

[Non-Sequitur]

I just don't understand how you can make hay over the Confederacy not fulfilling one of the requirements of its constitution, as a fledgling state, when the Union, as an established state, didn't have a SCOTUS review until after the end of hostilities.

On the contrary the Supreme Court ruled on administration policies throughout the war. The legality of the blockade was upheld in the Prize Cases. The confiscation acts were upheld by the courts. And in both cases Taney was one of the justices ruling. The Milligan case was reviewed in May of 1865 because that happens to be when it was taken to the court. And as for your dismissing the lack of a court as merely 'not fulfilling one of the requirements of its constitution, as a fledgling state' I should point out that that same fledgling state had no problems keeping it's cabinet fully staffed, or implementing protective tariffs, or imposing income taxes, or seizing private property, or any other actions that were not mandated by the constitution and which, indeed, were prohibited by it. But it never got around to establishing the one branch of government that might have halted the abuses. Doesn't that tell us something?

[papertyger]

And as for your dismissing the lack of a court as merely 'not fulfilling one of the requirements of its constitution, as a fledgling state' I should point out...

Hey now, I didn't dismiss anything! I'm just trying to make sense of what you said. But if you're one of those types that thinks everything you write is self-evident because you're the one that wrote it, we can mix it up over that too!

You're the one that made a charge over Milligan, not me. Furthermore, for whatever reason the confederacy saw fit not to seat a supreme court, it was arguably a good enough reason to satisfy its members which would have been more autonomous than members of a Union, by definition.

So if the confederates were so onerously despotic to their own members and citizenry, how did they maintain cohesion?

[TexConfederate1861]

You think? OK....DISPROVE him. He provides well documented sources, so provide PROOF that he puts out slop. Until you do, it is quite evident that Dr. DiLorenzo is more qualified on the subject than yourself.

[canalabamian]

But if you're one of those types that thinks everything you write is self-evident because you're the one that wrote it...

Bingo.

[rustbucket]

Here are some Northern newspapers that were suppressed, destroyed, and/or whose staff were arrested. I found these on the web in just a few minutes search. This is by no means a complete list of what happened during that period.

Some of the events below may well have been legitimate suppressions if the newspaper had published troop movements, etc., and thereby gave aid to the enemy. Other suppressions may have been done simply because the paper or its editors criticized the way the administration was handling the war or thought the South was correct in its interpretation of the Constitution.

Newspapers Suppressed

Exchange - Baltimore
South - Baltimore
Republican - Baltimore
Maryland News Sheet – Baltimore (?)
Daily Gazette – Baltimore
Evening Transcript – Baltimore
Evening Post – Baltimore
Evening Loyalist - Baltimore
Christian Observer – Philadelphia
Evening Journal - Philadelphia
Journal of Commerce – New York
Daily News – New York
Day Book – New York
Freeman's Journal – New York
World – New York
Eagle – Brooklyn
Enquirer – Cincinnati
Times – Chicago
Jeffersonian – West Chester, Pennsylvania

Newspapers Destroyed by Federal or state troops

Constitution - Keokuk, Iowa
Crisis – Ohio (?)
Republican – Marietta, Ohio,
Sentinel – Mahoning, Ohio
Eagle – Lancaster, Ohio
Empire – Dayton, Ohio
Messenger - Fremont
Picket Guard – Chester, Illinois
Democratic Standard – Concord, NH

Proprietors, Publishers, Editors, and/or Writers Arrested

Exchange – Baltimore (proprietor W Wilkins Glenn, editor Frank Key Howard, editorial writer Wallis)
South – Baltimore (proprietor Colonel Samuel S. Mills, chief editor Thomas S. Piggott, publisher John Mills)
Maryland News Sheet – Baltimore (?) (editor William H. Carpenter)
Baltimore American – Baltimore (C. C. Fulton one of the proprietors and editors, arrested for supposedly planning to publish some info obtained from Lincoln, released on his plea that he wouldn’t publish it)
Republican – Baltimore (Beale H. Richardson, editor and proprietor of the paper, and his son, Francis A. Richardson, and Mr. Stephen J. Joice, associate editors. The ground of arrest was alleged to be the publication of a piece of poetry entitled "The Southern Cross," … )
Daily Gazette – Baltimore (E. F. Carter and W. H. Neilson, editors and proprietors)
Mirror – Marion, Ohio (editor)
Democratic Standard – Paris, Illinois (editors M. Mehaffey, F. Odell)
Herald – Dubuque, Iowa (editor Dennis Mahoney)
Constitution and Union – Fairfield (editor Dana Sheward)
Evening Journal – Philadelphia (editor Albert D. Boileau)
World – New York (newspaper managers)
Journal of Commerce – New York (newspaper managers)

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

Your sense of history differs than that of mine. Lincoln filled the prisons with people he deemed to be a threat, some of those he deemed less threatening, he had escorted south between the lines of the federal troops.

And BTW, don't tell me how enlightened the union was to descent, I come from a part of Missouri where the unionist were no less than murdering thugs. The federals confiscated all southern sympathizer's property and burned them out, cleaned out all the specie from banks in certain towns and declared a 20 mile deep free fire zone along the Kansas Missouri border from Kansas City south.

Much of history (written by Yankees) taught since, teaches how brutal the Missouri Partisan Rangers were, they had to be to survive the onslaught carried out against them. The raid on Lawrence KS (payback is a bitch) was an attempt to capture the bloody minded Senator Lane, (he escaped by crawling into a corn field in his night clothes) who as a union general had by that time murdered thousands of pro southern Missourians.

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

Good terminology for the traitors.

[LS]

It's "dissent," but your anecdotal evidence is NOT supported by the study of Bensel. And name calling him a "Yankee" won't exactly work. I challenge you to prove any part of his massive study wrong. The Confederacy was the "horribilis" tyranny, and, thank God, the loser.