Abe Lincoln and the media

[Mier]

While all the anti war cowards were screaming for Bush to cut and run and our willing accomplice main stream media acting like kids in a candy store. I heard someone on talk radio say that during the civil war Lincoln had his media detracters thrown in the bottom of a war ship until the war was over. But I can't find any facts on-line to back it up. Does any one know where I might go to find information on this? I mentioned this to a (left wing co-worker) and he thinks I made it up. I sure would like to prove him wrong! Any information on this would be greatly appreciated.

[canalabamian]

Baltimore. Writ of Habeas Corpus. I Forget the guys name.

[HitmanLV]

SAVAGE!

[canalabamian]

A bit more detail here. You ought to be able to dig further as you wish.

http://www.civil-liberties.com/pages/did_lincoln.htm

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

Gone south had more than one meaning. Some southern sympathizers went south of their own accord, copperheads (read as, active confederate supporters in the north) were arrested & escorted through the union lines south.

We currently have our own modern copperheads (read as, leftie pols & LMSM terr perp supporters) they should be escorted out of the country, say, to Syria or Iran, where they would be more comfortable with their own kind.

[rustbucket]

Here were some of the Baltimore editors arrested in 1861: W W Glenn, Frank Key Howard, Thomas W Hall, Samuel Sands Mills. These were editors or proprietors of Baltimore papers. Mills was arrested at least twice. Some of these men were not released from prison until 14 months later.

Frank Key Howard was a relative of Francis Scott Key. While in prison his mail was censored and he was not permitted to call Lincoln a "vulgar dictator" even in his private mail.

J R Flanders and F D Flanders, editors of the Gazette of Franklin Co, NY, were arrested by Feds for disloyal utterances. The Gazette was excluded from the mail.

A number of newspapers were suppressed or shut down.

[rustbucket]

Here is some more information: http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo79.html

There is a bit more detail about Frank Key Howard on that site. It is a start anyway. Good luck with your liberal friend.

[Rabble]

Read about the "American Bastille—Fort Lafayette", located in New York harbor at:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo79.html

[Rabble]

"Baltimore. Writ of Habeas Corpus. I Forget the guys name."

Lincoln attempted to throw Supreme Court Chief Justice Roger Taney into prison and had an arrest warrant issued for his arrest. Apparently Mr. Taney attempted to inform Lincoln that it was not within his constitutional authority to suspend habeas corpus, and Saint Abe didn't appreciate his interference in running the country.

Lincoln must have thought to himself "just who does this joker think he is trying to tell me what I can and can't do". Read more on this at:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo75.html

[tkathy]

Neocopperheads is the term for today's war underminers.

[Non-Sequitur]

Lincoln attempted to throw Supreme Court Chief Justice Roger Taney into prison and had an arrest warrant issued for his arrest.

The problem with your link is that if you read it closely Adams is admitting that there is no concrete evidence that supports the claim that Lincoln issued an arrest warrant for Taney. No support in the archives of the U.S. Marshal;s Service. No support in the Lieber papers. Nothing but opinion and speculation and paranoid fears without justification. The simple truth is that Taney remained on the Supreme Court bench as Chief Justice until his death in 1863.

[Non-Sequitur]

heard someone on talk radio say that during the civil war Lincoln had his media detracters thrown in the bottom of a war ship until the war was over. But I can't find any facts on-line to back it up.

Gee, maybe because it's output from the southron myth machine?

[Non-Sequitur]

Baltimore. Writ of Habeas Corpus. I Forget the guys name.

John Merryman.

[Non-Sequitur]

Tommy DiLorenzo is the master of the big lie. If you want proof of that you need look no further than the article you posted. In it he makes the claim that 300 newspapers where closed on Lincoln's orders. Try and find the names of those 300 newspapers. There is no lie too large for DiLorenzo to perpetuate if it fits his agenda. He isn't know as Tommy DiLusional for nothing.

[RoadTest]

This isn't exactly your answer, but George Washington was extremely annoyed by press criticism of his policies and took out his discomfort on his cabinet.

{"George Washington" by Paul Johnson")

[LS]

Grant wrote a letter to one of his generals in control of Nashville saying if he were in charge there, and the papers kept saying what they were saying, he'd burn the paper down and jail the editors. Robert E. Lee constantly complained about bad press coverage, at one time sarcastically suggesting the editors and the generals switch jobs.

Overall, the as Richard Bensel's exhaustive study of laws and enforcement of some 150 different aspects of civil rights, taxation, and confiscation during the Civil War shows, the Confederacy was a FAR more authoritarian society, much less tolerant of opposing views, and much more abusive of (white) civil rights during the war than the North. It confiscated more property (again, not even getting into the slave issue); had a more "New Dealish" government with more government-owned industries; had no supreme court and fewer appeals; had more habeas corpus violations; and on and on.

[LS]

A Copperhead in New York had far more rights---indeed, far more chance of LIVING---than did a Union sympathizer in, say, Charleston. Even before the war, Unionists (especially if they mentioned slavery) were beaten, tarred and feathered, and jailed. Pro-confed. material could circulate freely in the North, but pro-Union material was banned by southern mails. While criticism of southern generals was tolerated in southern papers, there was NO criticism of the "cause" allowed, at all.

[LS]

Finish your story. Taney was never arrested, but he WOULD HAVE BEEN in the Confederacy. Lew Rockwell is a racist and totally un-historical site, by the way. I know you love that crap, so don't bother reposting. You'll get no more replies from me. But the other board members should know that Lew Rockwell's site has the accuracy of, well, "Uncle Tom's Cabin."

[papertyger]

So what's your assessment of Thomas E. Woods new "Politically Incorrect Guide to American History?"

[LS]

Pretty much trash. Our book is far more accurate, has more detailed and recent scholarship behind it ("A Patriot's History of the United States.")

Word is that Regnery saw our blurb 1.5 years out on the Penguin catalogue site and hired Woods to beat us to the punch with a "quick and dirty" version of our book.

Read the reviews in the "Claremont Review of Books" of both his and ours, or in National Review Online. Claremont calls it "Mostly Iaccurate Guide."

Our book, on the other hand, has been VERY favorably reviewed by CRB, NRO, the Wall Street Journal, even the NY Times gave us some grudging props. Rush interviewed me for his March "Limbaugh Letter" and features the book on his library page. Even the Libertarian "Independent Institute" gave us a great review, and we were nominated for their award for the book that "most advances the cause of liberty."