Posted on 11/26/2005 9:36:29 PM PST by Mier
While all the anti war cowards were screaming for Bush to cut and run and our willing accomplice main stream media acting like kids in a candy store. I heard someone on talk radio say that during the civil war Lincoln had his media detracters thrown in the bottom of a war ship until the war was over. But I can't find any facts on-line to back it up. Does any one know where I might go to find information on this? I mentioned this to a (left wing co-worker) and he thinks I made it up. I sure would like to prove him wrong! Any information on this would be greatly appreciated.
"[President Lincoln] was seated at his desk. Mrs. C. and myself walked up to him. Mrs. C. said to him, `This is Sojourner Truth, who has come all the way from Michigan to see you.' He then arose, gave me his hand, and said, `I am glad to see you.' I said to him, `Mr. President, when you first took your seat, I feared you would be torn to pieces: for I likened you unto Daniel, who was thrown into the lion's den. ... I appreciate you, for you are the best president who has ever taken seat.' He replied thus: `I expect you have reference to my having emancipated the slaves in my Proclamation; but,' said he, mentioning the names of several of his predecessors, and particularly Washington, `they were just as good, and would have done as I have, if the time had come. And if the people over the river,' pointing across the Potomac, `had behaved themselves, I could not have done what I have.' ... I am proud to say that I was never treated with more kindness and cordiality than I was by the great and good man Abraham Lincoln, by the grace of God President of the United States for four years more. He took my little book, and with the same hand that signed the death-warrant of Slavery, he wrote as follows: `For Auntie Sojourner Truth, Oct. 29, 1864. A. Lincoln.'"
This account of their meeting was written afterward for publication in several antislavery publications, and the published conversation between them may well have been embellished. Revisionist historians have also attempted to credit Truth with having much more influence over Lincoln than was the case. However the version of Lincoln treating her disrespectfully is simply not true.
So much for newspapers then or now, huh?
The only vision those folks have is revision.
I like to read all printed on the subject, accept nor reject any or all of it but ponder on all of it.
Next LS will spouting that Marx never heard of Lincoln.
And YOUR vision is limited to trashing the reputation and honor of the most gallant & brave army to ever fight on American soil.
Exactly. Their are no absolutes in that awful war. Both sides were gallant, both fought for noble reasons, and BOTH were American Armies!
The only thing I'm interested in trashing is the never ending stream of southron myths that pour out from you and your buddies. Like that 'most gallant & brave' part. I don't think that the rebs were any more gallant, any more brave, or any more dedicated than their Union counterparts.
Have you ever had the occasion to read and study the Constitution adopted by the CSA????
Ah but the real question is did Lincoln ever hear of Marx?
I suspect he did. Marx friends had access to Lincoln, immediate access. They had the power to force Lincoln to countermand field orders given by General Grant.
Prompted by your post, I found how different versions of Lincoln's meeting with Sojourner Truth had been reported by various groups. See: Link.
For example?
Sorry, you have to do your own homework.
Don't have anything, huh? Toss crap out in the hopes that nobody will question it. Another southron hit-n-run.
See: Link, which contains a fair bit of information about Truth. The person being interviewed is Nell Irvin Painter, a Harvard PhD, author of a book, "Sojourner Truth: A Life, A Symbol." Here's a link about Nell Painter: Nell Painter.
LAMB: But as we get near the end of this, you say that she met with three different presidents?
PAINTER: Yes, and this is the best known with Abraham Lincoln. This picture was actually painted 10 years after Sojourner Truth's death and, of course, many years after Abraham Lincoln's death, and it's very famous because people like the idea of these two giants meeting and respecting each other, and that proof of that is that Sojourner Truth is sitting down and the president is standing up. On second thought, I think everybody would realize this is highly unlikely.
LAMB: You say there in the chapter that when she came to visit President Lincoln, he had been meeting with some white males.
PAINTER: Mm hmm.
LAMB: And there was a difference in the demeanor once he met with her.
PAINTER: Absolutely.
LAMB: How'd you know that? Where'd you find that?
PAINTER: I found that in the autobiography of the woman who'd gone with Sojourner Truth.
LAMB: Who was that?
PAINTER: Lucy Coleman. She was an abolitionist from Rochester.
LAMB: And what was the meeting about?
PAINTER: Well, Sojourner Truth wanted to meet the president who had signed the Emancipation Proclamation. She ...
LAMB: How long was the meeting? Do you know?
PAINTER: Well, according to Lucy Coleman, it was like that. According to Sojourner Truth's open letter to the anti slavery papers that she wrote two months after the meeting, it was probably, oh, 15 minutes and very cordial. So we have these two competing versions of what happened with Sojourner Truth and Abraham Lincoln.
"Two of Truth's letters--perhaps dictated by the illiterate Truth to her 14-year-old grandson, Samuel Banks--make reference to the encounter. The first was a brief private letter written November 3, 1864, to Amy Post in Rochester, N.Y.; the second, a longer letter written November 17, was intended for publication."
I would be inclined to give more weight to the private letter transcribed for Truth to her friend Amy Post for an accurate portayal of the [Lincoln] meeting then I would the second longer letter written for publication in the Liberator.
It's also interesting to note that most of the women working in the anti-slavery movement were also ardent feminists. Perhaps Lucy Coleman's later recollection of that meeting with Lincoln was influenced by her feminist activism. :^)
lol AT you!
free dixie,sw
obviously, you have NOTHING of relevance to say, other than of course parroting the SELF-righteous STUPIDITY & DAMNyankee propaganda out of the most extreme, lunatic fringe of "poison ivy league academia".
so,let's try it again. YES or NO, were the 100,000 Black VOLUNTEERS (who fought HONORABLY for dixie) TOO STUPID to KNOW what they were fighting for???
so far, "professor" you've posted NOTHING that anyone here hasn't heard 100 times before from the LEFTISTS/REVISIONISTS that HATE dixe AND hate the USA.
want to try again????
free dixie,sw
traditional scholarship was always PRO-dixie or neutral in its outlook.
free dixie,sw
Personally, I only had to see the lewrockwell.com URL before I knew there was no point relying on anything in the article.
From Link:
At the encounter, Lincoln signed Truth's book and addressed her in it as "Auntie." Although seemingly a small word, it was enough to drum up controversy among historians. Washington discussed a debate that exists as to whether this word was meant to be "derogatory" or, if it was merely Lincoln's "awkward attempt to convey friendship."
Washington said that even those who witnessed the meeting first-hand were unable to come to a conclusive interpretation of the event. Lucy Coleman, a white abolitionist who saw the event take place, originally wrote a positive review of the President's reception of Truth, but she later "changed her story" and said that "Lincoln brushed her off."
The controversies that surround this relatively small encounter seem to be a telling microcosm of the larger controversies that surround Lincoln and of history's inability to arrive at an ultimate interpretation of the man who unquestionably changed American history.
You may be right that Coleman's autobiography reflected a feminist view of Lincoln. Or she could have been giving a strict abolitionist viewpoint of Lincoln, perhaps a view like that held by Frederick Douglass: Link
He [Lincoln] was preeminently the white man’s President, entirely devoted to the welfare of white men. He was ready and willing at any time during the first years of his administration to deny, postpone, and sacrifice the rights of humanity in the colored people to promote the welfare of the white people of this country. In all his education and feeling he was an American of the Americans. He came into the Presidential chair upon one principle alone, namely, opposition to the extension of slavery. His arguments in furtherance of this policy had their motive and mainspring in his patriotic devotion to the interests of his own race. To protect, defend, and perpetuate slavery in the states where it existed Abraham Lincoln was not less ready than any other President to draw the sword of the nation. He was ready to execute all the supposed guarantees of the United States Constitution in favor of the slave system anywhere inside the slave states. He was willing to pursue, recapture, and send back the fugitive slave to his master, and to suppress a slave rising for liberty, though his guilty master were already in arms against the Government.
... Viewed from the genuine abolition ground, Mr. Lincoln seemed tardy, cold, dull, and indifferent; but measuring him by the sentiment of his country, a sentiment he was bound as a statesman to consult, he was swift, zealous, radical, and determined.
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