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Abe Lincoln and the media

Posted on 11/26/2005 9:36:29 PM PST by Mier

While all the anti war cowards were screaming for Bush to cut and run and our willing accomplice main stream media acting like kids in a candy store. I heard someone on talk radio say that during the civil war Lincoln had his media detracters thrown in the bottom of a war ship until the war was over. But I can't find any facts on-line to back it up. Does any one know where I might go to find information on this? I mentioned this to a (left wing co-worker) and he thinks I made it up. I sure would like to prove him wrong! Any information on this would be greatly appreciated.


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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

Nice try, but I was specifically talking about neoconfederates. They are the people who are forever maligning "Yankees" to whitewash the Confederacy. And they are among the most vindictive and bigoted people in the country. Pretty stupid too, at least when it comes to their own history. Most Southerners don't fall in that category, and there's nothing wrong with them.


161 posted on 11/29/2005 5:09:03 PM PST by x
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
Union General Fremont issued orders that any male caught under arms in certain ares of the state was to be summarily executed.

And Quantrill summarily executed unarmed men and boys at Lawrence. And you can't see a difference between the two?

162 posted on 11/29/2005 5:19:47 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: stand watie
once more, would you give a pistol to a condemned man so he wouldn't be UNarmed on the way to his execution???

So if in your eyes it's OK to kill innocent, unarmed men and boys on the assumption that they would shoot if given a chance then it must have been OK in your eyes for the Unionists to do the same, right?

163 posted on 11/29/2005 5:21:25 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: stand watie
SAYING that a person is a TRAITOR (absent proof) does NOT make them one.

That doesn't stop you from calling Lincoln a war criminal and every other name in the book.

164 posted on 11/29/2005 5:22:36 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: rustbucket
The charges against the editor did not say active support for the war against the North, just secession arguments and criticism of the acts of government officials.

So you really don't know what he actually said and did? Yet you're convinced his arrest was unjustified.

165 posted on 11/29/2005 5:24:04 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
If my memory serves, there was never a slave runner from the south.

You're memory is as selective as always. Charles A.L. Lamar from Charleston was trying to run slaves into the south as late as 1858. His ship, the Wanderer, was seized and he was arrested.

166 posted on 11/29/2005 6:07:35 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: LS

Ahh, another 'court historian'. So I take it you've read through the Slave Narratives? Not the select few picked through by HBO but all of them?


167 posted on 11/29/2005 6:13:56 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
Former Vice President and Presidential candidate John Breckenridge had this happen to him. Breckenridge literally went out the back door as the authorities were coming in the front door to arrest him.

Heading south, Breckenridge joined the Confederate Army, rising to the rank of Major General (and he did quite well) before accepting a posting as Secretary of War just a few months before Richmond fell.

This is just an abbreviated version of the events, there are a lot more details, but the basic gist is the same.

168 posted on 11/29/2005 6:22:28 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson ("Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.")
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To: Non-Sequitur
Learned the filthy trade from self righteous and hypocritical New Englanders no doubt.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=slave+trade+of+new+england
169 posted on 11/29/2005 6:46:21 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
Learned the filthy trade from self righteous and hypocritical New Englanders no doubt.

Nobody is denying that New England shippers were major participants in the slave trade. Only your asinine claim that no southerners were involved.

170 posted on 11/29/2005 6:53:06 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Tit for tat. I take note you see the difference, Unionists are always good, Southerners always bad.


171 posted on 11/29/2005 6:54:31 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
Unionists are always good, Southerners always bad.

That would be your position, not mine. Reversed, of course.

172 posted on 11/29/2005 6:56:19 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: LS

Ask your ilk in New England about slaves, they started the filthy trade.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=slave+trade+of+new+england


173 posted on 11/29/2005 6:56:37 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: x

It was more than a "nice try," it hit your sorry persona dead on the mark.


174 posted on 11/29/2005 6:58:19 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Of course, you would like to believe such, people who live in glass houses et all. But your actions speak volumes otherwise.


175 posted on 11/29/2005 7:13:18 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Non-Sequitur

This has denigrated into the cellar, you want to end the pissing contest now, or carry it to the next level? Your call.


176 posted on 11/29/2005 7:17:33 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: PeaRidge
How do you arrive at that conclusion?

Common sense. My home town of Pittsburgh had six newspapers in 1860. New York City must have had 20 papers catering to every party and ethnic group. It also had thousands of young boys who either delivered or sold on the street 99% of the newspapers. The US Mail service in 1860 was not much different than today -- first class delivery between say New York and Washington was at best 3 days -- i.e no longer "news". How much are you willing to pay for a 3 day old paper when even in 1860, there were "wire" (telegraph) servies that reported the exact same national stories accros the nation?

Surely, there were some out-of-town subscribers willing to pay for mail delivery who were living in another area and interested keeping in touch with home --- the death notices, marriage licenses and local political, business and social happenings that would not show in the papers where they were residing, just as relocated people today access on the Internet to their home-town paper to keep in touch. But if you think that any paper in the country relied on the US Mail service for the "majority" of their subscribers, and revenues, I'd say you are stuck on stupid!

To claim that "most" of any newspaper's circulation was dependent on a slow and unreliable US Postal service either in 1860 or in 2005 is simply absurd --- but then again Pea, so is most of your mythology. But in your favor, you are not nearly as absurd as Stand Watie. ;~))

177 posted on 11/29/2005 7:42:15 PM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
So you really don't know what he actually said and did? Yet you're convinced his arrest was unjustified.

The evidence I've seen suggests it was not merited. Based on what's in the Official Records, there doesn't seem to be enough to justify his arrest.

Plus, the Feds let him go about a month after his arrest based on his alligiance oath and promise not to do anything against the Northern government. If they had proof he had done any plotting against the Union, I doubt if they would have let him go. In other words, they didn't have squat against him.

I invite you to make your case about whether his arrest was justified if you have one. If you don't, quit wasting bandwidth.

178 posted on 11/29/2005 9:33:19 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: AmericaUnite
Reading about the former slave Sojourner Truth losing her children through sale should be enough don't you think? And she lived in the North.

And she met Lincoln. Here is an account of that meeting from Newsday.com: Link

Bryant and Truth both had occasion to meet Lincoln, Bryant in 1862 and Truth two years later. Bryant and Lincoln enjoyed a good relationship. After Lincoln's assassination, Bryant declined an offer from Lincoln's friends to write a biography of the president. Truth, despite the glowing recollections in her narrative, received a far different reception.

She and a fellow abolitionist, who was white, were kept waiting for more than three hours as Lincoln joked with male visitors. When Truth went before Lincoln, he became tense and sour. He called Truth "Aunty, . . . as he would his washerwoman," the abolitionist, Lucy Coleman, would recall. She rushed Truth from the room.

179 posted on 11/29/2005 9:44:44 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
"Sorry persona" pretty much sums you up. My reference was too the peculiar characteristics of your moronic cult. You cut down a whole part of the country: "The only thing that mattered to most of the New Englanders was commerce and greed, to hell with the United States. Odd, how little has changed as to the mindset for that section of America."

You talk like that about your fellow countrymen and it's only right that someone rebukes you for it.

Your cult is the stupidest of the stupid and you disgrace your fine region. If I meet a German who goes on and on about how horrible France is and blames all his country's faults on France, or a Frenchmen who can't stop talking about how horrible Britain or America is, I've met someone who doesn't know his own people's history, but only has a stupid, self-pitying, self-justifying tale of victimization to justify abuse.

If I come across a Southerner who goes on and on about how horrible the Yankee is, I know I haven't met someone who's thought very long or very deeply about Southern or American history. I'd say the same thing if I came across a Northerner who couldn't stop running down the South.

But people like that are rarer than you think. Rather it's neoconfederates who rant about how Northerners hate Southerners as a preface to attacking the North. On the whole, the rest of the country -- and the rest of the South -- isn't as obsessive as you clowns.

180 posted on 11/29/2005 11:56:07 PM PST by x
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