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Those People Need A Dictator
MND ^ | November 26, 2005 | by Joe Mariani

Posted on 11/26/2005 8:00:54 PM PST by Nasty McPhilthy

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To: Jeff F

In general I agree.

However, Iraq is no more phony than a great many other countries: India, Nigeria, Pakistan, Sudan, South Africa.

In much of the world, ethnic/linguistic groupings have little to do with where political boundaries are drawn.

Will enough Iraqis think of themselves as Iraqis before thinking of themselves as Sunnit, Shi'ites or Kurds?

Obviously not enough Yugoslavs thought of themselves as such rather than Serbs, Croats, etc.

Historically, the idea of Yugoslavia was formed as a way of grouping together enough of the peoples in the area to allow them to stand up to the Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman Empires, long before the USSR was a threat. Sort of the inverse of "divide and conquer."


41 posted on 11/27/2005 4:23:22 AM PST by Restorer (Illegitimati non carborundum)
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To: kstewskis

Sounds like a lot of people I know...


42 posted on 11/27/2005 4:23:57 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: Restorer
However, Iraq is no more phony than a great many other countries: India, Nigeria, Pakistan, Sudan, South Africa.

In much of the world, ethnic/linguistic groupings have little to do with where political boundaries are drawn.

Will enough Iraqis think of themselves as Iraqis before thinking of themselves as Sunnit, Shi'ites or Kurds?


The same was true in Europe not so long ago... Italians thought of themselves as Neopolitans, Sicilians, Venetians or Florentines until Garibaldi... and do so even today to some extent.

Bismarck came up with the slogan "Deutschland Uber Alles", not as a way of asserting German superiority, but as a way to get Germans to think of themselves as Germans, and not Hessians, Bavarians, etc.

43 posted on 11/27/2005 4:35:16 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Bon mots

Quite right.


44 posted on 11/27/2005 4:39:30 AM PST by Restorer (Illegitimati non carborundum)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy; kristinn; Doctor Raoul; Lil'freeper; tgslTakoma; BufordP; Trueblackman; bmwcyle; ..

Quite an illuminating essay.

Thanks.


45 posted on 11/27/2005 4:42:28 AM PST by sauropod ("The love that dare not speak its' name has now become the love that won't shut the hell up.")
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To: Fee

It is both those things (what the article says and what you say).

These whackjobs are true believers, unfortunately. That must be tackled head-on.


46 posted on 11/27/2005 4:44:37 AM PST by sauropod ("The love that dare not speak its' name has now become the love that won't shut the hell up.")
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To: Time4Atlas2Shrug
Changes in business practice are driven much less by CEO preference than by competitive pressures.

If Company A is able to reduce its costs, and thus its prices, by adopting a practice such as outsourcing, Company B is forced to follow suit or lose market share, unless it can find some other way to remain competitive.

47 posted on 11/27/2005 4:45:54 AM PST by Restorer (Illegitimati non carborundum)
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To: Bonaparte
Next he insisted that Iraqis were better off under Saddam, and I asked him if he thought dictatorship was better than democracy. He said that "for those people" dictatorship was better. There's something wrong with these peoples' brains.

I had the exact same conversation with a guy at work. It's amazing how often the "those people" phrase comes up -- then the quick non-sequiter into "it's all Bush's fault, anyway."

48 posted on 11/27/2005 4:49:34 AM PST by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

She is correct because the constant mantra from the NAACP is gimmme gimme gimmme. I can't do it so gimme gimme gimme.


49 posted on 11/27/2005 4:52:22 AM PST by bert (K.E. ; N.P . Peta girls end up as spinsters)
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To: Westlander
I tend to use the sniper approach with libs rather than the frontal attack.

Whenever they mention some government program they love I point to each one and say "you paid for that" "you paid for that". The first couple of times it dosen't make an impression but if enough programs come up in the discussion they start to think about just how "big" mommy government has grown. I know I have gotten to them when they start checking their wallet to make sure it is still there. :-)
50 posted on 11/27/2005 4:56:43 AM PST by cgbg (MSM and Democratic treason--fifty years and counting...)
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To: Bonaparte

"There's something wrong with these peoples' brains".....IMHO it is pure selfishness...by claiming others can't "handle " democracy relieves them of the moral obligation to extend the salvific branch of the Creator's freedoms to others less fortunate, all the while taking advantage of such for themselves...


52 posted on 11/27/2005 5:02:10 AM PST by mo
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To: bobbdobbs

Limousine liberalism rears its ugly head once again. "Those people need a dictator," not "We need a dictator." Liberals are all for a set of restrictive rules for a group of people to whom they feel superior (which is practically everyone) as long as those restrictive rules don't apply to the liberals. We've always known this about the Left. The frightening thing is just how restrictive they want those rules to be.


53 posted on 11/27/2005 5:03:31 AM PST by Uncle Vlad
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

Yup. Liberalism is a mental disorder.


54 posted on 11/27/2005 5:15:32 AM PST by RoadTest (Excellent speech becometh not a fool: much less do lying lips a prince. - Prov. 17:7)
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To: Prime Choice

"Please. They're not stupid. They're evil."

Yes, and demented


55 posted on 11/27/2005 5:18:26 AM PST by RoadTest (Excellent speech becometh not a fool: much less do lying lips a prince. - Prov. 17:7)
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To: Restorer

What you say is reasonable. It's just that I think a fragmented nation like the former Yugoslavia is better than living under Tito. Democracy sometimes has some friction, disagreement or conflict, but a Communist government makes a country a dungeon and worse.

Of the two, I'd choose to live in the fragmented, factious scene.


56 posted on 11/27/2005 5:23:03 AM PST by RoadTest (Excellent speech becometh not a fool: much less do lying lips a prince. - Prov. 17:7)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
"No poor white people live in Trenton?" I wondered, and was informed that if they do, they probably don't need the help.

Another racist liberal stereotype.

Guess another racist liberal stereotype about Trenton is that black people love Italian food, based on all those great Italian restaurants in the Chambersburg section of trention.

57 posted on 11/27/2005 8:26:43 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Raoul's First Law of Journalism: BIAS = LAYOFFS)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
The System deliberately creates bad schools wherever black people happen to live by not spending enough money on them. The Liberal answer to a sub-standard educational system is not to increase accountability for teachers -- because teachers will simply move to other schools -- but to simply put more money into the underperforming schools.

As people what was the difference in the fight for civil rights in the 50's versus the 60's. What were they fighting for. What came FIRST? Their children came first!

Fighting for good schools for their children was the goal in the 50's. I see it as an indicator that despite the hardships, black families were stronger in the 50's than they are post LBJ Great Society. And the people that stood in the doorways keeping black children out of good schools were Democrats.

In the 60's, only after that goal was making progress, did it switch to voting rights.

Now, Democrats still keep black children in bad schools, again keeping them in bad schools by denying them vouchers.

The only thing that has changed is where Democrats stand. In the 50's it was in the doorway of the good school to keep black children out and today they stand in the doorway of bad schools to keep black children in.

Liberals wouldn't put up with that for their own children, so do black children count only as 3/5ths of a liberal child?

One thing that is NOT in question, in their own nuanced way, liberals are oh so racist.

58 posted on 11/27/2005 8:40:14 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Raoul's First Law of Journalism: BIAS = LAYOFFS)
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To: sit-rep
I heard a Marine captain speak about how the population are like battered victims. They don't know any better.

Concur that they are not like us right now, but peace and democracy is what any decent human being desires, so long term I am hopeful.

59 posted on 11/27/2005 8:45:51 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Raoul's First Law of Journalism: BIAS = LAYOFFS)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
Scratch a liberal, find a fascist.

L

60 posted on 11/27/2005 8:58:59 AM PST by Lurker ("Son, there's only two things you need in this world; love and a .45.")
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