Posted on 11/26/2005 8:00:54 PM PST by Nasty McPhilthy
You just never know what a Liberal will reveal under the influence of a little turkey and a little wine, but it's almost always worth taking the opportunity to find out just how deep the madness goes. Such was the "conversation" I had with a Liberal over Thanksgiving dinner, during which she confirmed her eligibility for a padded cell.
At some point during the conversation (which had been pleasantly inconsequential until this point) the Liberal went out of her way to mention that she "adopted" a black family through her work, donating some small part of her paycheck towards handouts to the poor. She was quite proud of herself, for a few moments. "How do you know the money is going to a black family?" I just had to ask. With a withering stare, the Liberal told me that she didn't know who they were, but the family lived in Trenton (NJ). "No poor white people live in Trenton?" I wondered, and was informed that if they do, they probably don't need the help.
Well, that was stunning news... or would have been, if Liberal racism was in any way surprising. "Why do some poor people need help, while those of a different skin color don't?" I wanted to know. Obviously, the Liberal told me, the rich force black people into a cycle of dependency, so they need help to break out of it. "The rich are all white, then?" I asked. Of course, the Liberal said. The rich are either whites, or their lackeys. "Oh, of course," I said. "So all black people who don't get help from or work for rich white people like yourself are forced to stay poor by a conspiracy of other rich white people. Makes perfect sense. And they can't possibly become self-reliant and independent... why, exactly?" At this point, others began moving the breakable objects off the table. I never did find out how being dependent on rich white Liberals was any different from being dependent on rich white Conservatives.
Apparently, according to this Liberal, black people are victims of The System, a cabal of evil rich white men who run the government (unless Democrats are in office). The System deliberately creates bad schools wherever black people happen to live by not spending enough money on them. The Liberal answer to a sub-standard educational system is not to increase accountability for teachers -- because teachers will simply move to other schools -- but to simply put more money into the underperforming schools. The fact that this has had no effect in the past slips right through their grasp.
So that's why the government is responsible for feeding and clothing poor black people -- rich white people deliberately make them poor and uneducated in the first place, somehow. And when the government fails to take care of them, it's up to "decent" Liberal people like my conversation partner to give them money. "George Bush," she declared, "has divided this country into the 'haves' and the 'have-nots.' He's destroying the middle class with his tax cuts."
How does one even begin to respond to this kind of lunacy, other than calling for the white-coated men with butterfly nets? Nevertheless, I was game. "Aside from the fact that a good portion of your 'have-nots' own houses, cars and televisions, and that varying divisions of property have existed from the dawn of time, how do you think that cutting taxes hurts the middle class, which is the only group that actually pays income tax?" I asked. "But let's not get into that. What makes you think that simply handing out cash to people -- regardless of color -- helps them at all?" "It gives them some self-respect, by allowing them to have decent clothes to wear and food to eat," the Liberal asserted.
"So let me get this straight," I said. "Taking handouts from rich, white Liberals, knowing that he is dependent on those handouts for food and clothing, is supposed to bring a poor black person -- or any person -- more self-respect than learning marketable skills, getting a job and working himself out of poverty? And why don't white people need that kind of help, as you said earlier? What about Bill Cosby, and his assertion that black people need to take responsibility for themselves instead of propagating dependency?"
And the Liberal revealed her true self: "Because poor black people aren't as capable of raising themselves out of the gutter, or they'd have done so by now. They just can't. Bill Cosby is full of it."
Whew. I just stared at her. After a half-dozen heartbeats of uncomfortable silence, she realised her mistake and tried to recover, in Liberal fashion: "It's all George Bush's fault, anyway. If he wasn't throwing our money away on this war in Iraq just so his oil buddies could get free oil, then the government would have enough money to help people here at home. All this war is doing is wrecking the Middle East and our relationship with our friends."
So, I wondered aloud, freeing millions of people from tyranny, bringing democratic government to the Middle East and taking out supporters of terrorist groups didn't mean anything when stacked up against the disapproval of Saddam's puppets in the French and Russian governments? Were the mass graves somehow a good thing? And just where was all this oil that was supposedly stolen?
"Everybody knows Iraq's oil was stolen. But that's not important," she said. "What really matters is that we had no right to take Saddam out of office, and it won't stop terrorism. Without someone to keep them in check, those Arabs or whatever just run around killing at will. We shouldn't have given them an excuse to attack us by even buying oil from Middle Eastern countries in the first place. Let them kill each other; what do we care? But no, now they hate us. Now that they lost Saddam, you can see how the Iraqis are slaughtering our soldiers. It's on the news every day. They just can't handle freedom and democracy and all that. Those people need a dictator."
Those people need a dictator. Chilling, isn't it? For a moment, I was too amazed at the stark brutality of the Liberal's attitude to even hear the other lies. After all, though every death is mournful, the casualty rate we have suffered in the War on Terror has been remarkably low. Iraqis aren't "slaughtering" anyone; they're voting for representatives and ratifying their new constitution. The terrorists murdering Iraqi civilians and the occasional American soldier hated us long before a single American set foot in Iraq. But that one matter-of-fact statement overshadowed all the rest.
Those people need a dictator. This was no college-age peace-marching patchouli-stinking dope-smoking revolutionary wanna-be wearing a Ché Guevara shirt, mind you. I had this conversation with a highly intelligent corporate lawyer, respected in her firm, who earns a six-figure salary. This is also a person who donates heavily, in both time and money, to the Democratic party.
This is precisely the type of person who determines that party's platform and nominees, based on emotion, hypocrisy, racism and faulty logic.
No one, no one, "needs" a dictator.
This patronising sort of racism is the fundamental heart of Liberalism today. "These people" can't take care of themselves properly, so they need government help. "Those people" need a dictator to control their innate murderous tendencies; they're not capable of handling freedom and democracy. They can't help themselves, darling; it's natural for them to be lazy, shiftless, uneducated, subservient, or just plain crazy. They're not like us, you know.
Can we afford to simply throw up our hands in disgust and let the far Left persist in repeating their delusions unchallenged? To do so would be to abandon the future to the whims of madmen and demagogues. The slick conspiracy theory du jour, whatever lets Liberals indulge their feelings of superiority, will always gain traction with those who use emotion in place of reason. The way to fight these misbegotten ideas is with truth, fact and logic.
The only answer is to continue to demand proof of their accusations, challenge their positions and point out the inconsistencies in their logic, no matter how it upsets them. However exhausting it is to refute the same Liberal lies day after day, allowing them to drive this country into a Socialist, self-hating darkness would be far worse. For all of us.
Next year after dinner, sit in a chair reading Coulter's book 'How to Talk to a Liberal'. My cousin-in-law did this last year. Their was no T-Day dinner this year.
"'Aside from the fact that a good portion of your 'have-nots' own houses, cars and televisions, and that varying divisions of property have existed from the dawn of time, how do you think that cutting taxes hurts the middle class, which is the only group that actually pays income tax?' I asked."
This was a great representation of a conservative rebuttal to leftist rhetoric, with the exception of that statement. It is utterly false. The numbers do not lie.
No one, no one, "needs" a dictator.
I disagree. Socialist/liberals-elitists like the one in this article need a dictator to control them. They need tyrant to enslave them. They need to be grounded into the dirt so far down that they will not forget for the next ten generations what it is like to lose their freedoms and liberties.
That female is way beyond redemption. As you described the conversation, I was envisioning a 20 year old girl steeped in some liberal professor's marxist teachings, but NOT a successful adult female. God help us!!
"They are disgusting and ignorant though they think they are enlightened and I am stoopid."
Yup...then they open their mouths. My biggest problem arguing with libs (like my idiot brother) is that they bait you into and argument, then all they want to do is yell over you every time you open your mouth. Then they just say the most idiotic and obnixious things....uhhhhhh.....loudly!....and louder....and stupider. Ahhhhh...glad he went to his inlaws this year for Thanksgiving.
Some will hang you for using those words on FR....although i agree.
Wasn't this EXACTLY what was said about the Japanese after WWII?
Yugoslavia blew more because of the collapse of the Soviet Union than Tito's death. Tito had been dead for many years and still the Yugoslavs hung together out of fear of a Soviet invasion.
The nation had been highly artificial from the start and was much more a product of the fortunes of wars than any authentic union of like peoples. The very name "Yugoslavs" merely means "south Slavs", hardly the rallying cry of burning national identity. It was made of up peoples who had fought each other of countless centuries and had never stopped distrusting each other into modern times.
Ultimately a nation comprised of half dozen major peoples most with their own languages, two alphabets, and two antithetical religions was unsustainable. The profoundly evil Milosovich capitalized upon these divisions and insured the end was a violent one.
Iraq is also a highly artificial nation as are most of the Arab nations. It was a creation designed to serve the past interests of western powers. It has the advantage of being comprised principally of Arabic speaking Arabs who predominately practice the same religion. It has the disadvantage of including a large Kurdish region and of have two antagonistic Islamic sects.
I think it is even money whether Iraq can maintain a democracy. Over the longer haul the country is bound to split up if for no other reason than it is a phony state.
you said :"It does appear that the Yugoslavs needed a dictator"
Well, Slovenia came out just fine.
Croatia went thru some turbulence, but they're much better now (for Croatians, that is).
Freedom is the natural yearning of the human spirit. No human being WANTS to be enslaved. It is just that, when a people has been subjugated for a long time, there are always some scores to settle, etc... when the yoke is removed. Growing pains of a nascent democracy, if you will.
Too sleepy, ping for later.............
"Winning a war of forces was the easy part. stabilizing a broken nation is a task I would want no part of..."
Right you are... but as Gen. Powell said, if you break it, you own it (or words to that affect). The President warned us all that this would be a long struggle. He was right but I wish we'd kept our focus on Osama.
I'm glad I recently took a job in sales (mail-based advertising was killing my doorhanger based print advertising business--so I took a job as a route manager for Schwan's Home Service), at least there I earn based on how well I sell, not who I know or skills becoming more difficult to learn in our socialist education system...
but youre right, its Multinational CEOs driving us to socialism...
Freedom comes from a responsible civil society.
Kinda like trying to have a democratically elected leader of the Manson family. When their religion says kill em allah, what's the dif?
Aap aap ahh dap dap!!!!!
It's a religion of peace
It's a religion of peace
It aint Slim W, but this'll gitr done!
Kill A Commie For Mommie
She's a corporate lawyer? The corp. should be fearful. And alert.
IOW, hopeless.
I had a similar conversation with a liberal this evening. He said democracy was not going to happen in the Middle East. I pointed out that both Afghanistan and Iraq had both conducted successful universal suffrage elections for their leadership and constitutions. He said, "But there's still violence all over Iraq." I told him there was violence all over America during the 60s but we were still a democracy with orderly elections. He couldn't seem to understand that domestic unrest can occur in a democracy. Next he insisted that Iraqis were better off under Saddam, and I asked him if he thought dictatorship was better than democracy. He said that "for those people" dictatorship was better. There's something wrong with these peoples' brains.
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