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Massachusetts Moves Step Closer to Confiscating Private Firearms
Massachusetts Legislature ^ | 11/26/05

Posted on 11/26/2005 12:43:07 PM PST by pabianice

In November, the Massachusetts House of Representatives moved favorably from committee H. 2125, which brings the state one step closer to its goal of the confiscation of privately owned firearms.

Under this bill, all private owners of handguns would have to register each handgun with the police and have a separate $ 250,000 liability insurance policy on each handgun or have that handgun confiscated (insurance professionals: care to estimate the cost of such a policy to the holder?). Each such insurance policy must cover the potential theft and unlawful use of the gun. If the policy is inadequate to cover any subsequent court judgment against the lawful gunowner, he will be thrown in jail for five years for each offense. In cases where a finding of fact and guilt is to be made, one member of any such committee must be a member of Stop Handgun Violence, Inc.

There's more. Anyone who sells someone more than one gun a month shall be imprisoned for up to life. However, this law will not apply to anyone under the age of 18.

Most disgustingly, this bill is being crammed through the Legislature under Homeland Security measures.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; bradybunch; commies; confiscation; cwii; freedom; gungrab; kennedystate; massachusetts; secondamendment; swimmersstate; taxachussetts; teddytheswimmer; waronsomeguns
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To: Monitor

A jolly good start.


181 posted on 11/30/2005 3:16:19 PM PST by Noumenon (Activist judges - out of touch, out of tune, but not out of reach.)
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To: zbigreddogz; Eaker; archy

Oooooooh the atomic bomb issue......that's a really valid point ya make there.......


182 posted on 11/30/2005 4:23:32 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: pabianice
This may get me banned again but so be it:

The time of forced pay licensing and registration is the time for JURY NULLIFICATION of ALL gun control laws and the time they come to grab em is the time to USE em!!!


183 posted on 11/30/2005 5:25:17 PM PST by Coral Snake (Guns, Linux and Liberty)
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To: freedumb2003
We are a Nation of Laws or we are nothing.

Bull Pucky! We are a nation of sovereign states and sovereign citizens of the several states. This crap of being a nation of laws makes me sick. What if these dimwits passed a law that said all people who use nickname freedumb2003 on political forums have to be rounded up and burned at the stake? Would we still be a nation of laws in your eyes?

184 posted on 11/30/2005 6:38:50 PM PST by Rodent_in_NY
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To: freedumb2003

If this passes, there is ALREADY NO LAW, and revolution is imminent.


185 posted on 11/30/2005 7:23:36 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Bump


186 posted on 11/30/2005 7:25:56 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: pabianice

I'm going to donate to the NRA right now.


187 posted on 11/30/2005 7:33:17 PM PST by cowtowney
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To: pabianice
Hey Massachusetts. Guess what I brought home today.



Of course I live in Florida, but anything to piss off a liberal
188 posted on 11/30/2005 7:35:44 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: freedumb2003
We are a Nation of Laws or we are nothing.

The words of a slave, I'm afraid. What if a federal gun-confiscation law passed and SCOTUS heard and upheld it? Would you obey the law like a good little citizen and hand over your firearms to your gov't masters? If so, you don't deserve to be called an American.

Quotes for you to consider:

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s teeth and keystone under independence." - George Washington

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is no recourse left but in the exertion of the original right of self-defense which is paramount to all forms of positive government." - Alexander Hamilton

The RKBA is a natural right. ....a God-given right. No Beltway dictator wannabes can take it away. The 2nd Amendment as written provides Americans the means of discouraging government from becoming too dictatorial by the threat of insurrection.

189 posted on 11/30/2005 8:00:40 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: tioga
Aside from the Constitutional issues mentioned, There is another aspect.

Having the requirement that a member of a group whose stated policies adamantly demand the disarmament of private citizens be a member of any commission finding fact or guilt is the equivalent of requiring that an equivalent number of members of any jury trying blacks be a white supremacist with a record of stating that all negroes are guilty and should be imprisioned, or a self professed anti-semitics on a jury trying a Jewish person with a similarly outspoken hatred for Jews.

Surely the requirement that one member be required to be a member of a group which has publicly and officially stated such bias and advocated policies hostile to private firearm ownership, (and those owners themselves en masse), flies in the face of any concept of judicial fairness or equal rprotection under the law.

The hostility toward gun owners and private firearms ownership conveyed by this group is a matter of record.

The requirement of maintaining such prejudice on the panel alone indicates that the Commonwealth has a predisposition toward finding any accused person guilty.

In addition, holding the owner liable for the criminal acts of another, prior to any such act having been committed, and requiring the owner to post bond against the commission of such acts should they occur, should be an unlawful taking in and of itself.

If this tactic is successful, who is next?

Will Bar owners have to carry additional liability in case someone breaks into their stockroom, steals liquor, gets drunk and drives, plowing into a family and killing them?

Will pharmacists and corner drug stores have to carry insurance against someone making illicit drugs from over-the-counter remedies and selling those drugs to a third pary who ODs?

The attempted extension of the chain of liability to those who commit no criminal act is part of the real danger here as well. While there will be insurance companies and brokers who will, for obvious reasons, not oppose this legislation, here is a chance for those in Mass. to find out who their friends are in the insurance business, and take the opportunity to patronize those businesses who speak out adamantly against this proposed legislation as well as deprive those who will not of their business.

190 posted on 11/30/2005 8:12:09 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Monitor
What do you call Boston Harbor, choked with the dead, rotting, and fetid corpses of anti-gun, anti-religion, pro-tax statists?

A good start?

191 posted on 11/30/2005 8:14:31 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: freedumb2003
Read the chart in the gray box on this page:

http://www.jpfo.org/deathgc.htm

Here in plain black and white is the reason all so called "Gin COntrol" MUST BE DISMANTLED one way or the other.

192 posted on 11/30/2005 9:08:51 PM PST by Coral Snake (Guns, Linux and Liberty)
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
You, sir, are a rebel, and I like the way you think. I would be proud to take one of these home, every day of the week. :o)
193 posted on 11/30/2005 10:28:42 PM PST by NRA2BFree
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To: NRA2BFree

I had to share my excitement with someone. When I picked up the gun I thought to my self, I bet the freepers would appreciate this knowing full well my wife would be less than thrilled


194 posted on 12/01/2005 3:58:24 AM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: Coral Snake

Gin control?

Do you go out of your way to be this stupid, or is it natural?


195 posted on 12/01/2005 9:02:50 AM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never pet a dog that is on fire)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

Actually I ment to say GUN control. However the same mentality benind the old Prohibition law (change the ENVIRONMENT rather than punishing the criminally irresponsible) that ultimately leads to GENOCIDE is the same one that is behind most GUN Control laws so GIN Control is bad too. ;c)


196 posted on 12/01/2005 3:05:17 PM PST by Coral Snake (Guns, Linux and Liberty)
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To: pabianice
Each such insurance policy must cover the potential theft and unlawful use of the gun.

And, by this philosophy, you'll also need this kind of liability policy on your car, for those who might steal it and injure someone with it. ...and your garden tools and sporting goods, since a theif might assault someone with your shovel or mug some little old lady with your stolen 9-iron.

Principles work. Use them.

The correct principle at work here should be: You are accountable for your actions. You are not accountable for others' actions using your stolen property.

Mass is gunning for CA's "Most Liberal State" status?

197 posted on 12/01/2005 3:10:40 PM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: Coral Snake

No, the problem is that you are both lazy and very stupid.

"benind" ?


No one will ever listen to the message that buffoon is trying to communicate.

You are not wanted here, or anywhere else.


198 posted on 12/01/2005 5:46:33 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never pet a dog that is on fire)
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To: Semper Paratus

A reinactment of the events of 1775 seems more appropriate. A calling out of the militia, with loaded AR-15s on the Green in Lexington. Tri-corner hats all around.


199 posted on 12/03/2005 9:36:14 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: rollo tomasi

I think that's a minority reading of the BoR. First ammendment rights have been upheld without regard to state desires for 100 years.


200 posted on 12/03/2005 9:38:52 PM PST by Jack Black
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