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Why son refused to stand
The Courier News ^ | 11/25/05 | EMS Fire Lt. Robert Bedard

Posted on 11/25/2005 3:01:56 PM PST by chicagolady

I am the father of the young man who did not stand for the singing of the Mexican national anthem during a cultural awareness program at Larkin High School.

I have been constantly asked to explain the details of the event, and it is in response to these individuals that I offer the following facts.

Some of the students, my son included, were compelled to attend this assembly. The Mexican national anthem was printed on fliers and handed out to the attending students. The Mexican flag was marched in and placed on a podium by itself. The attendees were then asked to stand and sing the Mexican national anthem.

My son was not alone in his refusal to stand. Statements given to me by other youths and parents put the number of refusals at close to 20.

Larkin staff members immediately confronted the seated youth. Some of the students were threatened with in-school suspension; most of the seated students were intimidated into standing.

My son explained to the angry teacher who confronted him that he did not see a U.S. flag on the podium and he did not believe they were going to sing our national anthem. This teacher stated, "They have to stand for our national anthem, so you have to stand for theirs."

My son stated in response, "Yeah, but they're in our country."

The teacher called my son a punk and sent him to the office. The administrator in the office supported the teacher's demand and told my son that he could have made a more intelligent decision. My son was not formally disciplined. The teacher who confronted my son defended her actions to her students during class the following week.

I called Larkin principal Richard Webb to express my disappointment and concern. I described the manner in which my son had been treated. I was told that my son should have stood and that the school stood by its right to have this assembly in its chosen form.

I then exercised my right as a citizen and addressed the school board.

The press was present at the board meeting and media awareness snowballed from that point forward. Some of my statements to the board included, "I am disappointed that those responsible for creating an assembly intended to educate and sensitize Americans also felt free to act insensitively with regard to our culture. It is permissible to present another country's anthem alongside ours and receive standing respect. It is not reasonable to expect or demand that Americans stand and display respect for another flag and country in absence of the American anthem or flag."

I also asked the board to consider two positive actions. "First, encourage Larkin High School administrators to not underscore one culture to the exclusion of others. This ill-conceived mandatory assembly did nothing but widen the current schism. Second, I would ask the board to lay down some principles for future assemblies. While it is good educational practice to teach about other cultures, it is not an acceptable practice to require mandatory response to the patriotic elements of those cultures."

I was appalled by Webb's printed statement. Apologizing only for the "unfortunate spotlight" placed on the school does not acknowledge the process that brought the spotlight. Lack of proper oversight created an assembly that offended a large number of people. Teachers behaving badly guaranteed parental follow-through. Administrative silence and denial has perpetuated their arrogant image.

Trivializing the incident and belittling those it concerned has only confirmed Webb's lack of grounding with the community.

Since Dec. 8, 2004, educational institutions receiving federal funding are required to hold an educational program pertaining to the United States Constitution on Sept. 17 of each year. This year, Sept. 17 fell on a Saturday.

Our high school apparently chose on Sept. 16 not to hold an assembly on the Constitution of the United States, but to educate our youth on the patriotic elements of another country.

- Bedard is an Elgin resident.

11/25/05


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderslanguage; cowardpcbastards; culture; diversityeducation; dontstandforthis; education; immigrantlist; larkinschoolsucks; mexicananthem; mexicosucks; pcnonsense; principalsuckstoo; punkprincpal; punkschoolboard; punkteacher; teachersucks; theiranthemsucks
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

You are tooo FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I stuff my turkey with refried beans!


101 posted on 11/25/2005 4:07:25 PM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady

Okay, when are the parents going to get angry in huge numbers about these jerk teachers and send them on their way?


102 posted on 11/25/2005 4:07:53 PM PST by freekitty
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To: calex59; nutmeg; Dutchy

you forgot what happened recently, when one of our soccer teams played there, the Mexicans shouted down the anthem and started throwing items on the field.

Almost like a Yankees/Red Sox game...


103 posted on 11/25/2005 4:08:17 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: calex59
If we played the US anthem in Mexico I would not expect the Mexican

...wasn't that just the case a few months ago when the NFL played in Mexico City...they Played our Anthenm and it was roundly boo'ed...so much for Common curtesy

Doogle

104 posted on 11/25/2005 4:08:44 PM PST by Doogle (USAF...7thAF ..4077th TFW...408th MMS..Ubon Thailand.."69",,Night Line Delivery..AMMO)
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To: freekitty

Well, The Illinois Minutemen have arrived, we hope to support some folks in their freedom of speech.


105 posted on 11/25/2005 4:08:59 PM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady
It is a gross violation of flag protocol (not flag etiquette, there's no such thing) to display or honor a foreign flag in this country without an American also displayed and honored. The boy knows more about such things than the entire school administration and they should be disciplined for their actions. I think a lawsuit and a formal, public apology is in order
106 posted on 11/25/2005 4:09:41 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Doogle

What about in Mexico City on Easter just this past year when the mexican crowd was chanting to the USA team

OSAMA OSAMA OSAMA


107 posted on 11/25/2005 4:10:18 PM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady

Mr. Bedard is a true patriot and has a qualities that are lacking in the GOP officials and that is that he has a spine and balls.

Mr. Bedard should be Chief of Staff at the Wihite House.


108 posted on 11/25/2005 4:14:24 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

I second the motion!!!!!!!!!!!!!


109 posted on 11/25/2005 4:15:36 PM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady

bump for later read


110 posted on 11/25/2005 4:16:19 PM PST by Hegemony Cricket (Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof - usually by midmorning, or so.)
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To: chicagolady
With Other National Flags When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.

click here for source

111 posted on 11/25/2005 4:19:22 PM PST by afnamvet
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To: chicagolady
My recently deceased uncle used to be the principal at this school. He was a Marine in the Pacific during WWII. A sniper shot him in the helmet, with the slug making both an entry and exit hole. Fortunately the helmet changed it trajectory and the bullet crawled along his head, injuring him, but not fracturing or penetrating his skull.

I am glad he cannot see what has happened to his school.

112 posted on 11/25/2005 4:20:16 PM PST by Lawgvr1955 (Never draw to an inside straight.)
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Wouldn't it had been sufficient to point out after singing our National Anthem that all countries have anthems?

Are the teachers just dumb or what?

Wot?!

Oh. I see. Roght. More role-playing -- like the California school that requires students to be Muslims for a week or two.

I bet the high school doesn't even require students to stand for our National Anthem. They got rights, ya know.

For the posters who argue that Mexicans respect our Anthem at sports events involving Mexico and us just do some searches on what happens in Los Angeles and Mexico City when our Anthem is played.

113 posted on 11/25/2005 4:20:45 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Move over Henny Youngman.. please! "The most trusted news source." CNN)
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To: chicagolady
This teacher stated, "They have to stand for our national anthem, so you have to stand for theirs."

I can remember to my high school days..we had a Canadian student, she sat during the pledge each day. The teacher firmly stated she was NOT an American citizen and she could sit through the pledge if she wished. When she did become a naturalized citizen she stood and proudly recited the pledge.

Your son attends a weird school. No way should your son been forced to stand or humiliated for not standing.

114 posted on 11/25/2005 4:22:45 PM PST by tioga
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
"For the posters who argue that Mexicans respect our Anthem at sports events involving Mexico and us"

There isn't a single post on this thread that says that.

115 posted on 11/25/2005 4:23:21 PM PST by paulat
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To: paulat
I went to St. Patrick's School in Glen Cove, LI, NY when I was a kid. We had off on the Feast Day of the Patron Saint of our school. I never heard the Irish anthem played and I never saw an Irish flag in the school, only American Flags, maybe a shamrock or two on the bulletin boards. Last time I checked, this was America.
116 posted on 11/25/2005 4:23:52 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (New Jersey gets the corrupt government it deserves!)
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To: chicagolady

Is there a law that says that one must sit or stand at the direction of a teacher? Or anybody else for that matter?


117 posted on 11/25/2005 4:25:01 PM PST by joem15
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To: paulat
I wish you lived next to me! Your diplomatic understanding of such problems wold require a donation to my personal welfare each morning. No donation NO get to leave! Simple and diplomatic!
118 posted on 11/25/2005 4:26:03 PM PST by Tannerone
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

When were you in grade school...there is a vast difference in decades, LOL!


119 posted on 11/25/2005 4:26:15 PM PST by paulat
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To: Melas
Standing for another country's anthem in no way shows any disrespect for my country at all.

Absolutely not! When there is respect and your own flag is present is your own country, it is fine and quite respectful.

Do you remember when our soldier climbed Saddam's statue when Iraq was torn down? And then our soldier put OUR flag around Saddams neck, and the entire area went quiet? Fortunately, they realized the faux paux and replaced with the Iraqi flag. How right that was!!

Flags mean something to most of us. When you fly someone else's flag and not along side your own, it means you are conquered. As I understand, there was no American flag. Very bad principle to teach our children.

120 posted on 11/25/2005 4:26:54 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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