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Colin Powell: White House's Murtha Attack 'Disgraceful'
NewsMax.com ^ | Nov. 25, 2005 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 11/25/2005 9:58:25 AM PST by Carl/NewsMax

An angry former Secretary of State Colin Powell is blasting the Bush White House for attacking Rep. Jack Murtha, who undermined troop morale and encouraged al Qaida last week with his call for an immediate U.S. pullout from Iraq.

"To attack him the way he was attacked, accusing him of being a Michael Moore, was disgraceful and was not worthy," a Powell told the New York Post's Deborah Orin, who described him as "livid."

"Jack Murtha is great friend of mine," Powell declared. "He's a great patriot.

"I don't agree with his position," the former top Bush diplomat said. "But he has started a debate which is a good debate to have as to how long we should be there."

Hours after Murtha called for an immediate pullout last Thursday, White House press secretary Scott McClellan compared him to Michael Moore. Two days later, however, both President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney went out of their way to describe Murtha as "honorable."

Still, Powell focused instead on the earlier remark, and said nothing about the olive branch offered by Bush and Cheney.

The one-time chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff also suggested that the war on terror wasn't quite as serious as other challenges the U.S. has faced.

"We're not facing a world war anymore," Powell told the Post. "We have pretty much convinced the world that democracy is a better system than communism or fascism or totalitarianism."


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To: Txsleuth

Interesting points. Perhaps we shall never really understand how Collin felt during those days prior to the invasion of Iraq. It would appear that if he really was dead set against going in he would have bowed out gracefully and let Wilkerson step in as a temp until the POTUS could have found a more permenant SoS. Perhaps he is of a quiet demeanor and just does not offer things unless asked directly. Who knows, I just think as you, he was not/is not a conservative in the strict sense and that perhaps he served the POTUS out respect. But then why turn around and point fingers afterward. Perhaps it will boil down to as was written earlier on he did not want us to invade, but had to bow to the wills of Rummy and think tank advisors etc., and just put on a face of compliance during his reign. Guess I can't add beyond this point. Since I don't know what is in the man's mind.


181 posted on 11/25/2005 2:33:02 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
'We have pretty much convinced the world that democracy is a better system than communism or fascism or totalitarianism."'

Righ Mr. Powell; so tell me about Venezuela, and a bunch of countries in Latin America that want to form a marxist bloc. Do you know how many have already elected a left winger to the presidency? Did you know that they are actually full blown marxists? What about countries that have or are about to be taken over by Islamofacists? Are they convinced?

182 posted on 11/25/2005 2:38:46 PM PST by gedeon3
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To: Marine_Uncle

I am sure he will be on the $50,000 dollar a night speaking circuit soon....and MAY espouse some of those differences, but I wouldn't count on it....

I find books and speeches (which are for making $$$$, after all)...more self-serving, than enlightening. See: My Life by Bill Clinton....and of course Hillary's book...

I also really don't care what he has done up until now at this point....I just wish he wouldn't do anything to hurt our country's WOT...and latching on to Murtha's opinions just doesn't help right now.


183 posted on 11/25/2005 2:39:26 PM PST by Txsleuth (9/11NEVER FORGET-NEVER SURRENDER, Sam Johnson, a REAL hero!)
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To: cynicom

Remember when he was thought about for a white house bid? How all the groupies around here got wet over the idea? funny how none are saying anything these days...


184 posted on 11/25/2005 2:40:39 PM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: Marine_Uncle
It's now official if there was any doubters. Powell was not only a turn coat but probably from day one serving as JCS under GHB admin way back when was not a real republican nor champion of the conservative movement. He simply served at the pleasure of the two administrations.

Actually 4 administrations, he left under Clinton over a disagreement about gays in the military (he was opposed).

Powell likes being the maverick moderate guy.

He has to go against the grain all the time, when GWB was president, he was the liberal, when it was Clinton, then Powell was the conservative.

Powell would find a way to argue with himself if need be.

He loves the limelight and the press, interestingly, the only President he never gave a hard time to, and pretty much followed, loyally, was Reagan.

Dick Cheney as SofD felt Powell was a royal pain, as did Clinton and his folks.

ALbright hated Powell with a passion after he used to snap at her.

Powell is a public relations guy, if Hillary Clinton was President, he would snap at her too, he just has to independent and gravitate away from whomever is in charge so that he call himself an independent.

185 posted on 11/25/2005 2:46:49 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Carl/NewsMax; Fred Nerks; Justanobody; All
Has any one actually seen or heard Powell's remarks? I won't comment on Powell as I consider him and his opinion irrelevant. However, we need to realize the ENEMEDIA spins everything and distorts everything to accomplish it's own agenda, so be careful about reacting to any quote written or reported in the media.

Reading through this thread it is clear that "cut and run" Murtha was not attacked by the White House, and Congresswoman Jean Schmidt did not attack him either! I recently saw a tape of her reading her statement in Congress to Murtha and she said NOTHING inappropriate. She did not call him a coward!!!The attempts by the Democrats to make this into a personal attack show their utter stupidity and dishonesty.

I find it interesting that when a former Marine, who happens to be a Democrat, is questioned for his outrageous comments, those questioning him are maligned and ridiculed.Isn't funny how the anti-military Democrats love to hide behind their "war hero's" when it suits them?

Murtha was not sincerely making a comment about the war, this was an intentional political move conspired by the Democrats and when the Republicans called them on it, they were exposed for the lying, traitorous hypocrites that they are.

I have the utmost respect for our military, however, even those in the military can turn out to be traitor's and they can never be immune from honest criticism if their actions or words show that they are not loyal to this Country.


The fact that Murtha's comments were used as propaganda for our enemy, and that they were demoralizing to our troops, is all I need to know to make a judgment call about Murtha.

He is a disgrace to the Marines and to this Country, and him having once served does not give him impunity from the consequences of his current actions!

I don't compare him to Michael Moore, I put him in the same category as Cindy Sheehan. Both have empowered our enemy and dishonored our soldiers, and their actions are shameful!

Maybe later I'll try not to hold back and tell you what I really think!

186 posted on 11/25/2005 2:47:57 PM PST by jan in Colorado (Cowards cut and run, Marines never do!)
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To: RetSignman
Sounds like a man thinking of running for election.

He is not running.

He is pushing himself for more money for his motivational speeches (between 25 and 50 G's a pop) and probably writing another book.

Powell is many things, and brilliant self promoter is one of them.

187 posted on 11/25/2005 2:48:21 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Carl/NewsMax

"We're not facing a world war anymore," Powell told the Post.



This fellow was in charge of Americas security for the last ten or so years.

As the old British saying goes: God protects drunks, babies, and the United States of America- because we are being led by naive people. The savages want us all dead.


188 posted on 11/25/2005 2:48:45 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (Americans need to remember Osama's "strong horse" -"weak horse" analogy. Let's stop acting weak.)
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To: JoeDetweiler

Thank you. It took 68 posts for someone to clarify what exactly McClellan said, and just as I expected, he did not call Murtha a Michael Moore. He merely said that Murtha was endorsing Moore's position on the war, which is a simple fact.

Now, when Colin Powell or anyone else wants to complain about someone lying, I'll be willing to pay attention to him, but don't waste my time griping about the White House spokesman stating a simple and obvious fact.


189 posted on 11/25/2005 2:48:49 PM PST by alnick
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To: Txsleuth
"I also really don't care what he has done up until now at this point....I just wish he wouldn't do anything to hurt our country's WOT...and latching on to Murtha's opinions just doesn't help right now."
I second that. His remark shows he harbors ill feelings against the POTUS, else why would he had bothered to make the statement he did. Perhaps GWB axed him and he feels no allegance at this point.
190 posted on 11/25/2005 2:48:55 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: USNBandit
The only difference between him and Wesley Clarke is that G.H.W. Bush made Powell and Clinton made Clarke.

Reagan made Powell, without Reagan, Powell would be still be pushing pencils in an office somewhere and no one would know who he is or was.

191 posted on 11/25/2005 2:50:45 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: beckett
His remarks are political, and indicate an interest possibly in the Dem VP spot in 2008.

No chance.

Him and Hillary Clinton hate, loathe each other to no point.

Say the name of one to the other and watch the faces.

Powell is about the money not the politics anymore, this is a self publicity thing that has a nice payoff to him.

Powell had tantrums and fights and quit because of the Clintons, don't confuse his greed with ambition.

192 posted on 11/25/2005 2:54:13 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Czar
Thanks for the perspective.
193 posted on 11/25/2005 3:05:49 PM PST by canalabamian (Durka durka...Muhammad FUBAR!)
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To: Carl/NewsMax; RonDog; doug from upland; JLO; Alamo-Girl; kristinn; All

.

.."FREEDOM for the WORLD"..

...was our Freeper chant covered by local TV Stations as we Freepers were demonstrating outside a Grand Opening of a Senior Center in Southern California.

...BUSH was seen triumphantly riding by us afterwards as one day later water dikes were suddenly flattened in New Orleans.

I wonder which event got all the TV Coverage from then on out and which one didn't..?

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194 posted on 11/25/2005 3:10:55 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: yarddog
I once read that Bush Sr. picked Powell over something like 3000 higher rated personnel for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs (It might have been 300 but I think 3000 is right).

I don't think we have 300 4 star generals out there, even back then. My guess is it was 3 or 30...probably 3....First of all you have to be a 4 star. Secondly, you have to be the chairman of your service and then finally you have to be selected as chairman of the joint chiefs (Army Marines USAF and Navy). 3000 and 300 are way too high. I think 30 is probably too high as well......
195 posted on 11/25/2005 3:16:14 PM PST by MikefromOhio ("you're a jockhead" - NewRomeTacitus)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

196 posted on 11/25/2005 3:17:50 PM PST by devolve (<--- (--------(--do not check out my lame FR home page--)--------)
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To: MikeinIraq
I am sure you are right but I am fairly certain of the 3000 figure. It might have been when he was first promoted to a particular rank or position while in the army.

I am certain it was Bush Sr. tho who was mentioned in the article, and not Reagan.

197 posted on 11/25/2005 3:20:37 PM PST by yarddog
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To: yarddog

those kind of numbers makes me think it was from Bird COL to Brigadier General or maybe Lt Col or Colonel....

We don't have 3000 4 stars, 3 stars and 2 stars combined. Not even close.

Generally Lt Col to Col and Colonel to Brigadier are the big tripwires....


198 posted on 11/25/2005 3:22:23 PM PST by MikefromOhio ("you're a jockhead" - NewRomeTacitus)
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To: theFIRMbss; Carl/NewsMax; All

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NEVER FORGET


Just 3 floors below the exploding Jetliner you see in your Post No. 4 photo of a just hit Tower II...

...was a Lifesaving Hero who was already in the process of getting everybody outta there, saving 1,000's of lives in the process of losing his own.


RICK RESCORLA: 9/11 Lifesaving Hero, R.I.P.

http://www.RickRescorla.com

http://www.strategyzoneonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361


NEVER FORGET

.


199 posted on 11/25/2005 3:23:01 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: MikeinIraq
The more I think about it, I think they were referring to an appointment to some position. What was Powell's job before being chairman of the joint chiefs?

It very well could have been 300 instead of 3000. Really wondering what it was. I do recall discussing it with my Sister and Brother-in-Law who were visiting so it must have been on the TV instead of an article. My BIL is a retired Naval Aviator so he would have known what they were talking about. My Sister is politically active and made some comment about it too.

200 posted on 11/25/2005 3:28:44 PM PST by yarddog
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