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1 posted on 11/23/2005 1:30:57 PM PST by jdege
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The Wisconsin law against carrying a concealed firearm has worked effectively for over 130 years.

For you, officer. For you. But then, totalitarianism is "that set of rules which makes the policeman's job easiest".

52 posted on 11/23/2005 1:48:24 PM PST by Physicist
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Adam, What makes you a superman able to carry a weapon while the rest of us are mere peons, unable to do so?


53 posted on 11/23/2005 1:48:35 PM PST by RJL
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And yet, in all the years I've been giving firearms training classes for military, law enforcement and civilians, it's always the cops that have accidents. It's always the cops that have the elitest attitude then make the mistakes. It's always the cops that don't want to listen and think they know it all.

Cops in general have a higher rate of negligent discharges, shooting when shooting is not called for and so forth. AND NO, it's not because "they carry more than non-leo's". That cop out is a load of garbage. The reason is that many LEO's have the wrong attitude, see the gun as just another part of the uniform, and don't care.

I will always feel more comfortable around non-LEO's with guns than I will around cops with guns.

Mike


54 posted on 11/23/2005 1:49:22 PM PST by BCR #226
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I strongly support the ability for people to defend themselves, but ...I don’t believe that carrying a concealed firearm is the only way to accomplish this. I don't have any actual suggestions on how people are suppose to accomplish this.

There are a lot of responsibilities that come with carrying a concealed firearm and being able to effectively use it against someone in their self-defense or in the defense of another human being.... Though, of course, I hope you won't notice my saying this has nothing to do with what people are suppose to do to defend themselves.

I agree that retired law enforcement professionals should be permitted to carry a concealed firearm ... because the inability to write a cogent thought shouldn't prevent someone from exercising the use of deadly force if they used to carry a badge.

I believe that there is no credible evidence that carrying a concealed firearm reduces crime ... because I make it a point never to believe statistics I don't like.

56 posted on 11/23/2005 1:52:14 PM PST by papertyger
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I strongly support the ability for people to defend themselves, but I don’t believe that carrying a concealed firearm is the only way to accomplish this. There are a lot of responsibilities that come with carrying a concealed firearm and being able to effectively use it against someone in their self-defense or in the defense of another human being.

I agree that retired law enforcement professionals should be permitted to carry a concealed firearm as long as they follow state and federal laws and those policies presented to them by their former law enforcement agencies.

I guess some folks are more equal than others . . .

Is it time yet?

57 posted on 11/23/2005 1:53:02 PM PST by Petruchio ( ... .--. .- -.-- / .- -. -.. / -. . ..- - . .-. / .. .-.. .-.. . --. .- .-.. / .- .-.. .. . -. ...)
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proof that one doesn't have to have a brain to have an opinion.


62 posted on 11/23/2005 1:54:59 PM PST by CharacterCounts
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An Armed Citizen, Is A Safe Citizen!


63 posted on 11/23/2005 1:55:36 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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Yes - call 911, lay down, and be a good little victim.

Trust the police - that's what they're there for, right?????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The police do NOT exist to PREVENT crime - they exist to clean up the mess and bring the criminal to justice after the crime has been committed.


64 posted on 11/23/2005 1:56:29 PM PST by Dittohead68
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Somebody should ask him a couple of questions.

1. Do criminals obey the guns laws that are on the books?

2. Is it the local police department's job to prevent crime or respond to crime?


65 posted on 11/23/2005 1:57:51 PM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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"there is no credible evidence that carrying a concealed firearm reduces crime"

He obviously hasn't done his homework.


66 posted on 11/23/2005 1:57:51 PM PST by Spok (Est omnis de civilitate.)
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I absolutely agree. Anyone carrying a gun should be required to carry it UNCONCEALED.

I know it would make a lot of bar scenes much quieter.


68 posted on 11/23/2005 1:58:55 PM PST by wildbill
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"The Wisconsin law against carrying a concealed firearm has worked effectively for over 130 years."

Does this mean there is no violent crime in Wisconsin?


69 posted on 11/23/2005 1:59:06 PM PST by Spok (Est omnis de civilitate.)
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mark


71 posted on 11/23/2005 2:00:58 PM PST by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) Support Zien's PPA/CCW bill in Wisconsin.)
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The Wisconsin law against carrying a concealed firearm has worked effectively for over 130 years. Deciding to pass a concealed carry law in Wisconsin that will allow almost every adult to carry a concealed firearm is a potentially dangerous decision.

            Buy what standard have you determine that the ban against weapons of self-defense has worked efficiency?

            How is allowing a law abiding person a danger to anyone? And if you are a police officer, then you know that criminals carry concealed weapons. When was the last time that you arrested a housewife who was carrying a concealed weapon?

Should we consider you a danger because you have a concealed weapon on your person?  Why should I trust you more than I trust a civilian?

73 posted on 11/23/2005 2:01:05 PM PST by street_lawyer
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And for a view of the 2nd Amendment from REAL police officers!

Go to: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1522660/posts


74 posted on 11/23/2005 2:01:07 PM PST by KeyLargo
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this guy it an idiot...


76 posted on 11/23/2005 2:02:43 PM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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NEWS FLASH TO THIS COP


DEATH RATE OF AMERICANS IS STILL 100%


77 posted on 11/23/2005 2:02:56 PM PST by antaresequity (PUSH 1 FOR ENGLISH, PUSH 2 TO BE DEPORTED)
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"The Wisconsin law against carrying a concealed firearm has worked effectively for over 130 years. (Show your data proving this, officer) Deciding to pass a concealed carry law in Wisconsin that will allow almost every adult to carry a concealed firearm is a potentially dangerous decision.(For criminals confronting armed victims)

Carrying a concealed firearm and deciding to shoot another human being is different from what is perceived on television, in the movies or while playing a video game. (You mean all those TV shows and video games aren't like real life?!) Allowing Wisconsin residents to carry concealed firearms may not reduce crime.(Feelings whoa, whoa, whoa, feeelings) If anything, crime may increase and there will be, without a doubt, more firearms in our homes and on our streets.(Scare me to death I'm ready)"

Simply another elitist public official who feels the public at large is simply too stupid to protect themselves with a firearm and he knows best for us.

Maybe he should try doing some research on the various hundreds of studies that basically say the exact opposite of this pablum he's spouting.

More feelings and emotion masquerading as logic and reason.
78 posted on 11/23/2005 2:03:16 PM PST by headstamp
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Here in NC we have cc. I just made arrangements today for me, my wife, and my two daughters (ages 23 and 21) to take a course for cc. I want to be able to buy a gun at a show without a permit each time, and my wife now works, after years of staying home with the daughters. My girls were both left NICE handguns as an inheritance by their grandfather, and they are often out alone, so it makes sense that if they want to carry, they should be able.

I pray we will never need to use them, but then again, I don't want anyone to HAVE to use a weapon on another person.

79 posted on 11/23/2005 2:06:12 PM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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There are a lot of responsibilities that come with carrying a concealed firearm and being able to effectively use it

Trust us, Adam.... we're grownups. And the criminals don't wait for permission.

82 posted on 11/23/2005 2:07:52 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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