Posted on 11/22/2005 3:47:31 PM PST by EarlyBird
The Democrat strategy behind the Murtha ploy was revealed today on Kudlow and Comapany by a Democrat congressman from California.
When discussing the war in Iraq and whether or not there would be less troops there by the 2006 election, the democrat congressman stated that there will be less troops only because the Democrats are now demanding a pullout.
The Democrats have seen the writing on the wall. Even though their co-cospirators in the media refuse to report it, they know that the US is having major successes in Iraq and they know that the conditions will soon be met for a major reduction in US forces there.
So what do they do? They try to get out in front of this by demanding the reduction now. Then, when the Bush administration's conditions for troop reduction are actually met -- which they know will happen before the 2006 election -- the Democrats can claim that the only reason the troop reductions are occuring is because they, the Democrats, have been demanding it since way back in November 2005.
I think this is a serious challenge to the Bush adminstration and the Republicans since, if successful, it will take all the wind out of the sails of the Republicans in 2006 when they try to declare success in Iraq by citing troop reductions. The Democrat response will be, "Yeah sure, you're just pulling the troops out because we demanded that you pull them out. We therefore are the ones who had the correct exit strategy."
This strategy is made more plausible by a Secretary of Defense who, when asked on the Sunday morning talk shows whether there is a plan for a reduction in troops in Iraq, only says "anything is possible".
This Democrat congressman spilled the beans about this Democrat ploy. Republicans, including Rumsfeld, must get out there NOW and start screaming about the successes in Iraq that are occuring NOW and that will lead to a troop reduction next year, and they need to scream it again everyday. Otherwise, I can see this Democrat ploy working in 2006.
If anyone else watched Kudlow and knows the name of the Democrat congressman, please post it. The CNBC website is already showing the guest list for tomorrow, so I can't find the guy's name. A transcript would even be better if anyone can find it.
Limbaugh had the same thought today.
Could be the ploy but it won't work. If Iraqi defense forces get ready then the Bush plan is right on course.
Sorry for the vanity, but this seemed too important to remain quiet. I could be entirely wrong, and I hope I am, but I think this ploy needs to be considered.
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This FR does not need to watch MSM or read the big rags to know what the dems are doing. We know why the Dems are trying to get out front of the good news story in IRAQ to throw mud on the current administration.
It didn't work too well for John Kerry last year when he unveiled his "brilliant and creative" plan of holding elections, building up their miliary, and then heading out once they were stable...also known as the plan Bush had been presenting since the beginning.
They held elections. They have an improving miliary. So, as promised all along, we're starting to think about heading home now that they're closer to being stable.
America didn't buy the Democrat's strategy last year. Don't know why they'd buy the same thing next year.
Well, he does have a history of plagiarism...
2) It won't work.
I did hear Biden spewing it like it was his own idea and all I could think of is 'this is what the administration has been saying for over a year' -
If they don't get out there and blow their own horns - I fear the election results for the next decade or so.
The biggest problem this president has, is communication. He needs to be out there, on the tv which is where most people get their info these days (sadly) - I don't know anyone who listens to his weekly radio talks, and I don't either. I don't even know who CARRIES it in my listening area, and I have talk radio on whenever I am in my car.
All the Dems have to do is pretend to care about the immigration issue and take credit for the troop reduction and they could be in.
Weasely Clark was spewing the exact same talking points as tho they were his own, this morning as well. I may vomit.
I think you hit the nail on the head. I caught hell here at FR when I stated that one of the "failures" of the Bush Administration has been the inability to let everyone know about the many successes that we have been having in Iraq (schools rebuilt, infrastructure rebuilt, etc.).
The Dems along with their whores in the media have controlled the presentation of events to the American people and the Republicans have let them get away with it.
One comment though: The scenario you outline would seem to conflict with Hillary position (not that that is insurmountable to her).
Still plenty of time before the next 2 elections for the Dems to create AND step in several more piles of excrement.
Well whatever worm you're talking about, I hope the Republicans in front of the microphones catch it too so they can knock this ploy down.
So far, I don't see this happening.
"They not only have no plan, they have no shame about stealing that of the president at the same time accusing him of all sorts of shameful things."
Whoa, we needn't fall into their camp. Our purpose is to win the war. There will be plenty of time to point out their nefarious (first time I ever used that word) tactics when our troups return in VICTORY.
Let them claim credit, the people will know the trut!
The wonderful liberals simply want to claim credit for the war while doing nothing but undermining the war effort. When troop levels are brought down, you can bet the cynical asshats will claim a profound victory.
Sorry my point wasn't clear. We ARE making progress and at a rate that is historically significant. That's the good news and therefore is seldom mentioned in the newspapers. I DO believe a phased drawdown is possible, right on the schedule GWB and SecDef laid out, based on achievements and not arbitrary dates on a calendar.
What I am steeling myself for is that when the withdrawals occur, the RATs will claim credit that it was stunts such as Murtha's that "forced" GWB and SecDef to see things their way. It is the equivalent of them running out in front of a parade and yelling "follow me." You and I know that full credit goes to our wonderful troops, LTC Kurilla and Deuce Four for example, and to GWB for staying the course. Tonight's vote was a tactical setback for the RATs but you watch how they spin ANY withdrawal as their effort and that GWB is "finally listening to them." We cannot let them get away with that tactic.
But Shrillary doesn't run until 2008. I'm talking about 2006, the midterm election of a president's second term -- notoriously a low-turnout election. The Dems think they can win some seats with this ploy.
"So far, I don't see this happening."
Maybe that worm you caught was actually the Republican's spine!!!
Victory is the exit strategy, and victory in Iraq will insure that the dims ploy will not work.
What are the dims going to do? Try and deny the returning soldiers their victory?
That'll really go over well in flyover country. (/sarcasm off)
Well, if the Republican Representatives and Senators had gotten behind President Bush from the beginning and publicly answered the Dim charges instead of letting the President go it alone they wouldn't be having this problem come 2006. Remember, it is they that are running for reelection in 2006 and 2008 not the President.
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